The St Lucia demo is leaps and bounds better then Thief's Den even though its still flawed. this was the first time I felt like I'm playing a thief game even though its actually doom 3. the level begins somewhat badly, you're supposed to find a note thats hidden a little too well not to mention that some notes are a little hard to understand because of the handwriting. thanks to Selestrielle who posted a question on the forum I found a key that leads to the sewers. after that you get into the church you finally get to sneak around. the main problems I had with the mod were not the bugs but the stuff that was added to the mod that wasnt in the thief games. first off knocking someone out is too hard if Im supposed to aim for the head then shouldn't there be a crosshair or something to help me aim, or just make it like possible to knock them out by hitting them anywhere from behind. second whenever I would try to drag the priest after knocking him out (I knock him out after he notices me) he would get stuck in doorways, the guard with an eyepatch kept appearing when I would be trying to hide the priest, itll be easier if you could hold his body like in the games. third, what is this thing with the guards throwing bottles at you, thats weird and just plain annoying. as for the bugs there was one weird bug I encountered, a guard started chasing me so I shot a fire arrow at him, his feet kept moving although he was dead, theres a similar bug in oblivion I had trouble saving and loading through the menu so I used the f4 and f5 buttons. I did like the physics thing, early in the mission there was a bunch of planks covering a hole on the cieling in a broken down building, I used the sword to get the planks out of the way and climb up the hole, kinda reminds me of half-life2 someone on the forum posted that you guys should charge for the mod, I think that you should make it open source instead. maybe not right now but after the initial release or after you guys get tired of working on the mod the developer of Heart of Evil for Half-Life made his mod open source and some people are already working on improving it.