Jump to content
The Dark Mod Forums
Sign in to follow this  
Kvorning

'Thief' & 'E3 2013' official information, articles & interviews

Recommended Posts

-About 95% of the HUD/UI can be disable individually by the player.

 

Where did you get this figure from? Last I heard they were still trying to decide what you could and couldn't toggle off.

 

XP is used to upgrade Garrett's skills.

 

This was mentioned on a questionable Polish website, but the developers said that XP is used as a rating system for how well you did, and said nothing about using it to upgrade skills.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Springheel

The XP info was from this link http://www.eidosforu...57&postcount=19

 

As for the loosely qouted "95% of the elements that can be disabled", I can't remember what vid it was in, but I'll make sure to find it tomorrow (Today) when I get up, right now I'm too tired :)

 

Edit: I can't find the video, but I wrote it down as the first thing so I wouldn't forget. Doesn't help much when i can't remember the source =P. But I know I heard that in one of the interviews, problem is, they literally all look alike. I'll just change it to "almost all" ;)

Edited by Kvorning

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Focus Mode has it's introduction via a storyline placement, early in the game, relating to 'Garrett's Eye', and yet can be disabled in the menus? isn't that a little weird?

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

..............

Edited by jtr7

A skunk was badgered--the results were strong.

I hope that something better comes along.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
-The game-play demos are not scripted, they are rehearsed to showcase the game and features.

 

The player might not be 'scripted', that's obvious but there is definitely some scripting going on with the AI. Apparently the GDC demonstration was even more heavily scripted, up to a point where a reviewer who saw it said there was no way to play the way they were shown at GDC in the current build. Considering it's pre-alpha, that's not surprising....they are going to have a long year ahead of them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@jtr7

The focus mode isn't a huge marketing point, as far as I understand. They've made sure to underline that the levels are being designed around the focus not being there. The level designers are not allowed to balance their maps to the idea of having focus. It's going to be an addition to those who want to try a new feature.

 

@New Horizon

All AIs in games obviously have internal scripts yeah, but aside from way-points and 'talk behavior' or when they conduct a search, like we also see in TDM, I can't really see any scripted events.

 

They deliberately take a couple of select routes through that part of the level, to show the mechanics the player might encounter. They even show when one of the players mess up on pick-pocketing, tries to compensate with focus, fails miserably and dies, as he is "not a soldier", but a thief :)

 

As for a long year, I agree. With proper time management they'll be fine, but I doubt they gonna sit back from now on and say "Well I guess we just have to wait for the deadline." :D

Edited by Kvorning

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Goof idea bringing together all small scattered info pieces about what has been communicated and seen for Thief 4 so far.

 

Thanks Kvorning!

 

Is there yet any video available about the "Brdige Escape" sequence?


"To rush is without doubt the most important enemy of joy" ~ Thieves Saying

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There have been conflicting messages about this, apparently.

 

I asked Adam, and it appears I was mistaken before. XP is for upgrades to Garrett (I speculate it's for things like things like Focus, personally)

 

I seriously hope the OTHER dev, that said during the demonstration that it was essentially a stealth score mechanism, is correct. Spending XP to upgrade skills has no place in a Thief game.

 

This bit was interesting:

 

I don't know if guards can wake up on their own, but I do know that if you don't hide an unconcious guard properly and another person finds him they can wake him up.

 

I wonder how they plan on implementing that?

 

As for the loosely qouted "95% of the elements that can be disabled", I can't remember what vid it was in,

 

I've heard them say you can turn off the floating red eyes and "suspicious" markers that float over the AI's heads, but nothing about the shroud, the glowy blue indicators telling you, "you can use this!" the blue arc markers that show you how to throw things, loot glint, the bright flash on guard's swords that tell you when they're going to swing, the text that tells you where you are, the radar map, etc.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Lots of interesting things in the eidos forum fan impression Q&A, and I've only read the first page:

 

These are some of the points that lept out at me. Again, this is just the first page (I need to get some sleep!).

 

Good:

  • Burning building sequence not an escape from a manor, from another part of the game entirely. That sort of thing supposedly very rare.
  • Simple blackjacking does not require a takedown button (not sure if this was actually confirmed before?)
  • unconscious guards can be woken up
  • xp rewards heavily favour stealth
  • their paths through the E3 level we have seen were very different to the dev playthrough shown several times at E3. In other words, the E3 demonstration we saw was not scripted, but heavily rehearsed.
  • they thought Garrett's one liners were well written (e.g. "So, the Baron does have a heart after all..." in reference to the heart of the lion), and in their opinion his personality was "very much the same"
  • sounds is still very important
  • in their opinion, the atmosphere was fantastic
  • an action heavy approach would be very difficult
  • they found the guards to be very observant, and mentioned that "if they suspect something is there they actually will change how they patrol the environment to include the area they saw something"

Bad:

  • seems like devs are pretty keen on the hands staying, even when they are not doing anything
  • as noted above, rope arrows are indeed limited to hot spots. I wonder if they've been shoe-horned in after popular outcry ...
  • they weren't able to change actions "mid-animation"


  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

i heard somewhere else in an interview about a month ago (not at E3) with the games producer and lead level designer that its possible to stealth the whole game, which made it sound like all the maps were complete, maybe it was a rough build, because they were talking about several runs through of the maps. Plus in one of those e3 interviews the producer says that the part at the manor courtyard is 2 hours into the game. So if it was a stand alone demo they wouldn't be saying its 2 hours into the game.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I guess they are forced to tell something because E3. If it is indeed pre-alfa, they can call himself lucky that everything have textures (or shrouds :P ).

How they manage to play stealth on burning, collapsing bridge??


S2wtMNl.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

HUD customization is a good sign...

 

 

I also like that they have guards who can wake up from a KO. Better hide them carefully now. :)


--- War does not decide who is right, war decides who is left.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

HUD customization is a good sign...

 

 

I also like that they have guards who can wake up from a KO. Better hide them carefully now. :)

 

Not on their own though, but rather revived by another guard if found...so yeah, hide them carefully. Not sure how that will work in terms of game balancing though. Although if the player does hide them well, it won't be an issue.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

..............

Edited by jtr7

A skunk was badgered--the results were strong.

I hope that something better comes along.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes, it's rather puzzling to me that they keep saying things like, "you can totally turn focus off," and, "levels aren't designed with focus in mind" . Yet focus is PART OF THE STORY. If it was really some hand-holding thing for non stealth gamers, why not just make it that? Why build it right into the fabric of the narrative?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

maybe focus can be tailored to see in the dark, or show paths between guard routes, or hide you in shadows better, stealth type elements added to focus instead of the violent bits of focus that they've shown.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@jtr7

Focus is a feature in the game, not a major marketing point. A major marketing point for a game developer is something like "Will be available in 2014 on next-gen consoles and high end PCs", which specifically targets 2 consumer groups. An optional in-game gimmick can hardly qualify for a backbone in an upcoming product.

 

The video where Stéphane Roy was commentating, the player burned through about 80% of his focus, on 2 guards, and died to the 3rd. Granted, it didn't look like the performance of a 'professional gamer', but in the intend of showing what a casual player, who knows how to counter attacks, it shows that focus doesn't turn Garrett into 'Altaïr von Ezio del Desmond', if it takes 80% focus and still die.

 

Considering you can so far only regain focus from rare flowers around the map, an optional feature really doesn't look like an effective fallback.

 

@Springheel

I'd guess it's relating to Garrett's mechanical eye getting a 'tweak' by whoever made it, or some external influence on it's functionality. Although it's all fantasy and speculation at this point for us, I'm actually very curious about that 'teaser' they've given us about the early story. I hope it'll be good.

 

@stumpy

Yeah, using focus for enhanced night vision is something I could imagine them implementing. As Garret makes his living at night, he does have a constant natural high level of night vision, though currently I think it's a bit 'too high'. I'm guessing gamma, contrast and brightness can be fixed to give the same level of visibility as the guards have.

 

We also saw the player use focus on listening for footsteps, pick-pocketing, lock-picking, locating items, points of interest.

Edited by Kvorning

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

.............

Edited by jtr7

A skunk was badgered--the results were strong.

I hope that something better comes along.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Btw, it's worth noting that these impressions in the OP were posted by EM-forum devs, at least some of whom have been known as T4 cheerleaders for years. The fact that some of these observations are completely different from some non-EM reactions should be concerning.

 

Non-EM reactions:

 

Thief "not good", gameplay "disingenous"

http://www.twitch.tv...885320?t=21m08s

 

 

"It may have just been the demo, but it seemed the guards were intent on not seeing Garrett as he moved about the courtyard."

Read more at http://www.escapistm...6cgbXcM2b5ew.99

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

×
×
  • Create New...