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I dealt with that. Wikipedia editors remove "vanity" articles on sight, that is articles dealing with current people or projects that don't have a valid claim to notability. The rules are that the articles must make the claim to notability in the header, which ours didn't until a couple of weeks ago. I've also opened a notability section on the talk page, which means before any further action is taken, it has to be discussed there, and in the event of any future edit warring we can take it down the dispute resolution path, which works very well despite what people say who've never engaged properly with it. But I don't think there will be problems now that the article complies and we've indicated that we want to engage with the process.

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The Wikipedia "noteability" stuff is just insane. Our project exists since at least 2007, was release in 2009 and reviewed/printed in numerous magazines. And yet, somehow we are in danger of being "not noteable?" Edit: And the most insane thing is the same discussion seems to happen every damn year... end of edit.

 

And to top the insanity off, they have "unified" all the usernames on the wikipedia different language pages. This means that now

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tels~enwiki(formerly Tels) is mangled. How do I prove to them that it's the same account that it was before?

 

The one surviving is the one in the german wikipedia...

 

Forgot to add: I wrote parts of the english and german wikipedia TDM articles, but w/o the ability to login couldn't even find myself in the history. Damn meddlers...

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"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

 

"Remember: If the game lets you do it, it's not cheating." -- Xarax

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Just in case the link is missing from wikipedia: http://www.bloodgate.com/mirrors/tdm/pub/pcGamer_tdm.jpg

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

 

"Remember: If the game lets you do it, it's not cheating." -- Xarax

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And to top the insanity off, they have "unified" all the usernames on the wikipedia different language pages. This means that now

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tels~enwiki(formerly Tels) is mangled. How do I prove to them that it's the same account that it was before?

 

The one surviving is the one in the german wikipedia...

 

Forgot to add: I wrote parts of the english and german wikipedia TDM articles, but w/o the ability to login couldn't even find myself in the history. Damn meddlers...

Wikimedia are working on an account merge facility -- it's not available yet -- but you can post your problem at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Username_changesand someone will untangle it for you manually.

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The Wikipedia "noteability" stuff is just insane. Our project exists since at least 2007, was release in 2009 and reviewed/printed in numerous magazines. And yet, somehow we are in danger of being "not noteable?" Edit: And the most insane thing is the same discussion seems to happen every damn year... end of edit.

 

Our project is definitely notable under wikipedia rules, but we didn't comply with the wiki rule that you have to make the case for notability in the leading paragraph, which made the article an easy target for editors who are overzealous or are just in a hurry. That's fixed.

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I'm the User:L'Acuto who edited the article and talk page recently by the way. That's a new user account but I do have a lot of experience of wikipedia bureaucracy. I clocked up a few thousand edits 10 years ago on admin stuff and wrote a couple of articles, but back then I was sharing an account with my boyfriend who carried on using it after I dropped out. So I registered as a new user to tweak our article and open the Notability discussion.

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Our project is definitely notable under wikipedia rules, but we didn't comply with the wiki rule that you have to make the case for notability in the leading paragraph, which made the article an easy target for editors who are overzealous or are just in a hurry. That's fixed.

 

Yeah, my point was that the rules are ever changing and we almost lose the article once a year. First it was something about "has to be released", then "mentioned in a print magazine", then the mysterious header (of which I never knew until today) and next month its another insane rule that didn't exist a few days ago.

 

The funny thing is, the german article was "automatically approved" back then, because I created it, and my account was a couple of years old and had thousands of edits. I guess nowadays even that wouldn't count :ph34r:

 

(Fun fact: The article exists in 4 different languages. Each of these sub-wikis has it's own rules what is notable, and what not. TDM being notable in Germany doesn't count for English and vice versa...)

 

The articles on wikipedia are quite old, but it's a constant pain to defending them from the deletionist. One of the reasons I stopped contributing there, it's just so much hassle without gaining anything but keeping the statue quo.

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"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

 

"Remember: If the game lets you do it, it's not cheating." -- Xarax

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Wikimedia are working on an account merge facility -- it's not available yet -- but you can post your problem at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Username_changesand someone will untangle it for you manually.

 

 

Please note that the Global User Merge tool is not going to be available soon and that we will not accept any requests for now till further notice from developers. We are sorry for any inconvenience.

  • Update: Wikimedia Foundation staff have revealed that they believe the account merge tool will not be available soon, and there is no exact timeframe at the moment.

 

Well, so much for that idea :) I guess unified global logins are a master technology, that human kind hasn't invented yet... (that was sarcasm... :)

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

 

"Remember: If the game lets you do it, it's not cheating." -- Xarax

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Yeah, my point was that the rules are ever changing and we almost lose the article once a year. First it was something about "has to be released", then "mentioned in a print magazine", then the mysterious header (of which I never knew until today) and next month its another insane rule that didn't exist a few days ago.

 

No, that's rubbish. How many times do I have to say it? Our article did not comply with the rules until a couple of weeks ago. That's why it was vulnerable to deletion. Clearly no-one who worked on it in the past bothered to find out what those rules were. Sorry to pick on you when several others on this forum have been talking nonsense about Wikipedia too, but the rules don't keep changing, and they are perfectly sensible and proportionate. Lots of people want to use Wikipedia for self-promotion, which is natural. WP has to fight back to remain an authoritative source. The rules on vanity articles haven't changed in the last ten years, whether or not some admins made unhelpful comments when removing an (apparently) fluff piece.

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No, that's rubbish. How many times do I have to say it? Our article did not comply with the rules until a couple of weeks ago. That's why it was vulnerable to deletion. Clearly no-one who worked on it in the past bothered to find out what those rules were. Sorry to pick on you when several others on this forum have been talking nonsense about Wikipedia too, but the rules don't keep changing, and they are perfectly sensible and proportionate. Lots of people want to use Wikipedia for self-promotion, which is natural. WP has to fight back to remain an authoritative source. The rules on vanity articles haven't changed in the last ten years, whether or not some admins made unhelpful comments when removing an (apparently) fluff piece.

 

The rules about the "notability header" are new, they didn't exist a few years back when the articles where written. I knew that, because I wrote many articles before the header was even invented. (And as far as I know, the notability header doesn't exist on the german wikipedia, yet.).

 

It's good to know it's now fixed - until the next rule change comes along. And that's not a critism on you or TDM, but on the stupid rules of wikipedia.

 

Edit: Btw, where exactly is this "notability header"? I cannot find it in the source code of the english article. Is this something that is stored elsewhere or goes into the talk page?

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"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

 

"Remember: If the game lets you do it, it's not cheating." -- Xarax

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The "header" is the first section of the article, the part that comes before the table of contents. It's not in a different place. That said, I was wrong to say that you and others hadn't read the rules :blush:, because I see the rules have been relaxed a bit in the last 10 years. An article about a living person or ongoing project used to be a candidate for speedy deletion if it didn't establish the claim to notability in the header. Now I see that admins are required to do some digging before deleting or merging an article that they consider to be non-notable, even going as far as doing independent research to find out, so the editors who redirected TDM's page to the general idtech4 mods page were out of order. That said, it will help that the article now mentions our PC Gamer award and the print coverage and magazines that have included us on cover DVDs. And opening a talk page discussion is still the right way to handle any edit dispute. All the dispute resolution procedures begin with that:

"Talk page discussion is a prerequisite to almost all of Wikipedia's venues of higher dispute resolution."

and now that there's a talk page discussion, anyone wanting to remove the article content is obliged to discuss it there first.

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Aha! No Russian and Romanian version of this article!

"I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."...

- 2 July 1844 letter to James Russell Lowell from Edgar Allan Poe.

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