Abusimplea 137 Report post Posted February 12 No backup, no pity. Always have backups! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OrbWeaver 426 Report post Posted February 12 you send your map to a beta tester who also has access to the finished map download server they alter your map, you think its finished, you send your finished map the the person who has access to the download server, they think their map improvements are better than yours, they up load their version of your map, you only find out later on after people have been playing your map that they are not playing your version of your map but someone else's version. That's a different scenario. I was asking specifically about the situation described by AluminumHaste, where Bikerdude sends the map back to the original author rather than publishing it himself. Or, you send your version to someone with a specific request for them to do ONE THING, and they send the map back. You thank them, dive in, and do some more work, before discovering that they made all kinds of changes that you didn't want and didn't ask for. You didn't think to look at the entire map, because you never assumed someone would just decide to pave over your own work without permission like that. Well yes, I suppose that makes sense if you're working on a large and complex map, and manually inspecting everything is not easy. Unlike code, there is no real way to "inspect the diff" of changes to a map, even if you are using version control, because the map is not human-readable but has to be loaded into DarkRadiant or the game itself. What I've done to myself also Orbweaver is that I stupidly overwrote the files in the map directory with what I thought were the latest files. Didn't realize until it was too late. Fair enough, we all make mistakes. But this really highlights why you should not rely on just a single copy of the map in your maps directory, but should have regular backups or version control. Perhaps I need to make a tutorial on "Basic version control for mappers" or something, because this is such an easy problem to solve. It makes me sad to think people are losing work and burning out as a result of data loss that could so easily have been prevented. 2 Quote DarkRadiant homepage ⋄ DarkRadiant user guide ⋄ OrbWeaver's Dark Ambients ⋄ Blender export scripts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Destined 529 Report post Posted February 12 Isn't there a hint like "keep backups" in the A-Z tutorial? If not, I could look for a good place to add it. I don't think that people need a tutorial on how to create backups, but working with SVN may not be too bad. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anderson 254 Report post Posted February 12 The devil hides in the details. Quote "I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."... - 2 July 1844 letter to James Russell Lowell from Edgar Allan Poe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teh_saccade 233 Report post Posted February 13 Perhaps I need to make a tutorial on "Basic version control for mappers" or something, because this is such an easy problem to solve. It makes me sad to think people are losing work and burning out as a result of data loss that could so easily have been prevented. At least, in Windows, there's the option to sync certain folders to online storage and/or some local drive.I've included the maps, dependent folders and 'wip/subfolder' of the DR/TDM partition to be sync'd to the external usb storage drive, as well as the archive drive, along with other game projects and those massive adobe files and assets. This way, there's no need to manually copy stuff every time - the sync'd folders don't have their content deleted as with dropbox or onedrive sync or whatever.Rather than mirror, it can be set to contribute so that the files aren't removed from the sync'd folder if they're removed from the source, or altered/removed at the source if they are in the sync.I'm not sure if it will save duplicates as (copies). Not something I've ever tried due to my convention. Even with Illustrator's crash recovery update last year, using that stuff (especially on windows), I think it's made me a little OCD when it comes to saving stuff regularly and in a numbered sequence. The tool from MS is called SyncToy: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/download/details.aspx?id=15155 To make backups to more than one location using the sync, it's possible to daisy-chain the first sync'd folder to another.Once it's set, it's just a case of taking the start-up performance hit and the time for the copy operation. Pretty sure there are going to be many freeware sync things for all platforms.This one's nice because it's simple. Quote http://nolfrevival.tk/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duzenko 538 Report post Posted February 21 I just want to add that banning the account also means preventing user from any kind of technical support and feedback on playing new missionsThat again does not make any sense and does not have anything to do with his sins as the mod maintainer 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stumpy 229 Report post Posted February 21 they still have email access to people they know on the forum so technical support and feedback could always be done via a 3rd party. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chakkman 258 Report post Posted February 21 You know, no disrespect towards Bikerdude, but, i can only explain to pray for someone to ban me that it involves a lot of drama queen attitude. Otherwise you could just stop posting, or stop attending to the community. Really, try to imagine the psychology behind it... that's either maximum OCD, or compulsive self-display. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AluminumHaste 904 Report post Posted February 21 I just want to add that banning the account also means preventing user from any kind of technical support and feedback on playing new missionsThat again does not make any sense and does not have anything to do with his sins as the mod maintainer Oh well, that's why you don't do shit that gets you banned. Quote I always assumed I'd taste like boot leather. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abusimplea 137 Report post Posted February 21 You know, no disrespect towards Bikerdude, but, i can only explain to pray for someone to ban me that it involves a lot of drama queen attitude. Otherwise you could just stop posting, or stop attending to the community. Really, try to imagine the psychology behind it... that's either maximum OCD, or compulsive self-display.Beeing a drama queen, narcistic, or having OCD are not the worst traits to have. They are bad traits, but: In real life character traits choose you - not the other way around. And i never met a human without any bad traits. Some even have to use a wheel chair or can't see. Others have to constantly throw insults to everyone. And there are uncounted traits that are even far worse than that. Drama queen is one of the traits i would explicitly choose for getting some extra character points to put in feats like darkvision or memory (having a low level in the last one really sucks)...Whatever bad trait he got - it looks like some of that extra character point are in his great mapping skills... Oh well, that's why you don't do shit that gets you banned.Surely, forcing him to keep his experience to himself will hurt him the most (instead of the people who lack that experience). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Obsttorte 1439 Report post Posted February 22 they still have email access to people they know on the forum so technical support and feedback could always be done via a 3rd party.Indeed. I have him in my steam friends list and we were talking from time to time. In addition, (almost) all team members have TDM associated email addresses, so they are reachable from the outside. Although I am not sure whether those can be found anywhere, and there is the tdm steam group Biker still has access to, so he can be contacted there. 1 Quote FM's: Builder Roads, Old Habits, Old Habits Rebuild WIP's: Several. Although after playing Thief 4 I really wanna make a city mission. Mapping and Scripting: Apples and Peaches Sculptris Models and Tutorials: Obsttortes Models My wiki articles: Obstipedia Texture Blending in DR: DR ASE Blend Exporter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chakkman 258 Report post Posted February 22 Beeing a drama queen, narcistic, or having OCD are not the worst traits to have. They are bad traits, but: In real life character traits choose you - not the other way around. Orly? Frankly,i don't need to ask to be banned to stop posting, or realize when i'm annoying or straight insulting other people. If you have so little self control, then i have no idea how you get along with anyone, or anything in life. The way i got to know Bikerdude in this forum, never met him in real life, he also seemed like a person who at least knows how far he can go when he's posting here. So, my guess would be rather on the "drama queen" thing. Anyway, as he's not able to reply here, i will leave it at that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AluminumHaste 904 Report post Posted February 22 Also, there's absolutely nothing stopping him from creating another account if he really needs to ask something on the forums. Quote I always assumed I'd taste like boot leather. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Springheel 4303 Report post Posted February 22 Also, there's absolutely nothing stopping him from creating another account if he really needs to ask something on the forums. While there are probably ways to do it without drawing attention, getting around a ban by creating a new account isn't officially permitted. Quote TDM Missions: A Score to Settle * A Reputation to Uphold * A New Job * A Matter of Hours Video Series: Springheel's Modules * Speedbuild Challenge * New Mappers Workshop * Building Traps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AluminumHaste 904 Report post Posted February 22 While there are probably ways to do it without drawing attention, getting around a ban by creating a new account isn't officially permitted. Yes, circumventing a ban is a bannable offense, pretty standard.I didn't mean for him to resume his M.O., but just to get some help if he needs it. Quote I always assumed I'd taste like boot leather. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Springheel 4303 Report post Posted February 22 He's already a member of that TTLG/TDM beta-testing forum (I forget the name), so it's not really an issue. Quote TDM Missions: A Score to Settle * A Reputation to Uphold * A New Job * A Matter of Hours Video Series: Springheel's Modules * Speedbuild Challenge * New Mappers Workshop * Building Traps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duzenko 538 Report post Posted February 22 Who are the members of the user ban board? Is there a formal vote? What is the procedure? Who presses the red button? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RPGista 600 Report post Posted February 22 I guess any moderator can ban an user if he identifies a bannable offense. At least thats how I assume it goes in most forums? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Destined 529 Report post Posted February 22 Pretty sure that is the case, but from what I have gathered, the admins decide as a collective if someone really should be banned. It is not like any one person will ban someone out of spite. It is a serious step and the admins know that, so it is not decided lightly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abusimplea 137 Report post Posted February 22 I didn't mean for him to resume his M.O., but just to get some help if he needs it.I think, he will be fine with not beeing able to get help from the forum... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duzenko 538 Report post Posted February 23 And "the Admins" are ... ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AluminumHaste 904 Report post Posted February 23 What are you trying to accomplish here? What's your end game? Quote I always assumed I'd taste like boot leather. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RPGista 600 Report post Posted February 23 (edited) The admins are probably the team members, you guys are the ones keeping the lights on after all, plus maybe some regular forum member people saw fit to act as moderator? I havent looked into it (who is a moderator and who isnt). But its pretty widespread that online communities have different rules (depending on what they are for) and that breaking them will get you a warning, or even an outright ban, a lot of times this is done by people with the right to do it, with no need for further discussion (if its a clear case) - something like insulting people, or stealing work, things like that. The process in Bikerdudes case has been vastly covered, by a lot of different people, including himself a few weeks prior to the ban, so I guess theres very little controversy at this point... Though I do agree, if thats what you are wondering, that some cases might be blurry and a democratic way of deciding would be preferable to someone arbitrarily exercising power. But I have never once seen moderator abuse here in the forum. On the contrary. I remember this one guy that kept coming and going, he was always pissed and would eventually insult people, get banned and come back some months later under a new name. I think he did it like 3 or 4 times. I dont think people ever minded him coming back. Untill he would go psycho again. Well, at least I got the impression it was always the same guy. Edited February 23 by RPGista Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Springheel 4303 Report post Posted February 24 The forum mods are (I was pretty sure this was posted somewhere, but I can't find it atm): GreeboGraymanMelanNew Horizonstgatilovtaaaki (mostly high level maintenance)and myself A few additional people have mod power in particular forums. I have never once seen moderator abuse here in the forum. On the contrary. I remember this one guy that kept coming and going, he was always pissed and would eventually insult people, get banned and come back some months later under a new name. I think he did it like 3 or 4 times. Ah yes, Aidakeeley/Blueskybullet/etc (I forget some of the other aliases he used). One of the few other people we have ever banned. Quote TDM Missions: A Score to Settle * A Reputation to Uphold * A New Job * A Matter of Hours Video Series: Springheel's Modules * Speedbuild Challenge * New Mappers Workshop * Building Traps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jetrell 34 Report post Posted February 24 The forum mods are (I was pretty sure this was posted somewhere, but I can't find it atm):I found this but this list looks slightly outdated. The moderating team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
