OrbWeaver 449 Report post Posted April 20 Playing through a mission today, I felt that the wood footsteps are a little too loud. They seem to "pop out" as noticeably louder than walking on stone, whereas as far as I am aware both stone and wood are intended to be quiet surfaces.This is the adjustment I made in my local install to get the wood volume to approximately match the stone volume. The only change is that the volume line has been reduced by 4 dB (from -16 to -20). I did not touch the creep/crouch versions as these seemed OK to me. Feel free to test and agree/disagree.sound/tdm_sfx_movement_footsteps_player.sndshd tdm_footstep_wood_walk { description "Made by GoldChocobo" minDistance 1 maxDistance 30 volume -20 editor_displayFolder sfx/movement/footsteps/player sound/sfx/movement/footsteps/player/wood_walk01.ogg sound/sfx/movement/footsteps/player/wood_walk02.ogg sound/sfx/movement/footsteps/player/wood_walk03.ogg sound/sfx/movement/footsteps/player/wood_walk04.ogg } 1 Quote DarkRadiant homepage ⋄ DarkRadiant user guide ⋄ OrbWeaver's Dark Ambients ⋄ Blender export scripts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter_spy 1310 Report post Posted April 20 IMO it's not the wood surface that is too loud, it's the default Doom 3 stone surface that is too quiet. I prefer using TDM's tile surface instead, to make things more consistent. 1 Quote Builder Compound Asset Pack – models and textures for TDM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OrbWeaver 449 Report post Posted April 20 I prefer using TDM's tile surface instead, to make things more consistent. But tile should be louder and wood and stone, surely, because tile is a loud surface? Assuming the surface types are intended to behave the same way as they did in the original games. 1 Quote DarkRadiant homepage ⋄ DarkRadiant user guide ⋄ OrbWeaver's Dark Ambients ⋄ Blender export scripts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Springheel 4346 Report post Posted April 20 Wood is louder to AI than stone in TDM (I think stone is the quietest of the hard surfaces). 1 Quote TDM Missions: A Score to Settle * A Reputation to Uphold * A New Job * A Matter of Hours Video Series: Springheel's Modules * Speedbuild Challenge * New Mappers Workshop * Building Traps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anderson 261 Report post Posted April 20 It should depend maybe on the type of wood? Walking on a wooden ship should probably be louder than walking around wooden palisades or a wooden house. All of this depending how old the wood is. Quote "I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."... - 2 July 1844 letter to James Russell Lowell from Edgar Allan Poe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Springheel 4346 Report post Posted April 21 Realistically, yes, but the code doesn't track different kinds of wood. If we were redesigning the footstep sounds from scratch, tile would be the quietest and old wood and gravel the loudest. 1 Quote TDM Missions: A Score to Settle * A Reputation to Uphold * A New Job * A Matter of Hours Video Series: Springheel's Modules * Speedbuild Challenge * New Mappers Workshop * Building Traps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter_spy 1310 Report post Posted April 21 But tile should be louder and wood and stone, surely, because tile is a loud surface? Assuming the surface types are intended to behave the same way as they did in the original games.Yup, but these things should be mostly gameplay-oriented, and I think the wood surface works fine as it is right now. Btw. can you decouple the sounds heard by players from what's heard by AI? IIRC, TDS used two sets of sounds for surfaces. 1 Quote Builder Compound Asset Pack – models and textures for TDM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zergrush 48 Report post Posted April 21 As someone who lives in a house with a traditional wooden board floor, I can say wood can be very loud. Not so much the step noises, but the wood itself creaking under pressure. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OrbWeaver 449 Report post Posted April 21 Wood is louder to AI than stone in TDM (I think stone is the quietest of the hard surfaces). Ah, in that case it makes sense that wood sounds louder to the player too. I was assuming we had the same division into "loud" and "quiet" surfaces as in T1/T2, and therefore all surfaces in the same category should have a similar volume. Quote DarkRadiant homepage ⋄ DarkRadiant user guide ⋄ OrbWeaver's Dark Ambients ⋄ Blender export scripts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Springheel 4346 Report post Posted April 21 Btw. can you decouple the sounds heard by players from what's heard by AI? IIRC, TDS used two sets of sounds for surfaces. Yes, the two are set separately. 1 Quote TDM Missions: A Score to Settle * A Reputation to Uphold * A New Job * A Matter of Hours Video Series: Springheel's Modules * Speedbuild Challenge * New Mappers Workshop * Building Traps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OrbWeaver 449 Report post Posted April 22 On the other hand, if mappers are actively avoiding using stone surfaces because they feel the footsteps are too quiet, that might be a good reason to bump them up a bit. If I'm not mistaken the stone sounds currently in use are the ones I myself recorded, so I certainly won't complain if people want to make them more audible. A volume of -10 (up from -12) seems OK to me, although much more than that and I think they would start to get overpowering. tdm_sfx_movement_footsteps_player.sndshd tdm_footstep_stone_walk { minDistance 1 maxDistance 30 volume -10 editor_displayFolder sfx/movement/footsteps/player sound/sfx/movement/footsteps/player/stone_walk01.ogg sound/sfx/movement/footsteps/player/stone_walk02.ogg sound/sfx/movement/footsteps/player/stone_walk03.ogg sound/sfx/movement/footsteps/player/stone_walk04.ogg } 1 Quote DarkRadiant homepage ⋄ DarkRadiant user guide ⋄ OrbWeaver's Dark Ambients ⋄ Blender export scripts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
