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Mauritz Cornelis Escher's "Ascending and Descending"

 

I mostly knew because just a few weeks ago I spend an hour or two staring at this:

 

http://www.voidgamers.com/channel/HirstArt....356.r.386.html

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Btw, is anything going to be done with this? Looks like an intersting start... :)

 

HEHE I added a bunch of stairs and stuff inside and there's still a lot of room to rumble, it's quite fun to run around in and plays like a thief level already.

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There's a great dialogue in the book Godel, Escher, Bach (what's been called a bible for the cyberage) in which 2 characters get trapped in a series of Escher drawings and things like gravity suddenly changing on them occur as they walk across* -- sounds similar to the talking here.

 

Awesome read (the whole book, really) if you can find it.

 

* The whole thing is supposed to be some kind of metaphor for going in and out of nested levels of representation -- as you can do in a computer program -- and then tangling the hierarchy so things get loopy. The sort of thing Godel, Escher, and Bach were masters at doing.

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There aren't spoiler tags here...

 

Actually, there are, but shhh! Don't tell anyone. You'll spoil the secret.

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Godel, Escher, Bach sounds like an interesting book! I'll have to look it up.

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It's more about the pure logic underlying math than math itself.

 

It has one of the best explanations of Turing Machines and Godel's Theorem because it's hands-on ... you are solving them right along with him, but in a fun way. That must be why computer science people like it so much.

 

If you like this book, I'd also recommend The Mind's I edited by the same author (Hofstadter), which uses lots of little stories, essays, dialogues on naturalism ... that the "soul" is the brain ... and the "spiritual" implications of that, fun enough that you can forget that it's also pretty deep.

 

They don't make many books like this any more ... full of little thought-games adding up to a big punchline. Minsky's Society of Mind, maybe.

 

Penrose's Emporer's New Mind tried, and was great as long as he was talking about physics but was just awful on the "mind" part.

 

Hofstadter wrote another book along these lines called Le Ton Beau de Marot on language creation, esp poetry, by brains and computers, but it's much more personal, even sentimental.

 

If I ever become accomplished in some field, I think I want to try to write a book like one of these ... because nothing is more fun than when the author isn't just lecturing the reader but inviting him into thinking through something very interesting together.

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