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Poll: Fan Mission: Return to the City by Melan (2010/01/10) (69 member(s) have cast votes)

Gameplay: Enjoyment. Fun duration. Smooth flow, ect. Versus Bugs. Frustration, Boredom, framelag

  1. Poor (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Tolerable (4 votes [5.80%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.80%

  3. Good (19 votes [27.54%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 27.54%

  4. Excellent (33 votes [47.83%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 47.83%

  5. Near Perfect. Outstanding (13 votes [18.84%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.84%

Appearance: Visual pleasure, lighting, visual style, deduct bad texturing ect.

  1. Poor (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Tolerable (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Good (5 votes [7.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.25%

  4. Excellent (28 votes [40.58%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 40.58%

  5. Near Perfect. Outstanding (36 votes [52.17%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 52.17%

Story & Text: Story. Text. Briefing. Graphic storytelling

  1. Poor (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Tolerable (1 votes [1.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.45%

  3. Good (31 votes [44.93%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 44.93%

  4. Excellent (24 votes [34.78%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 34.78%

  5. Near Perfect. Outstanding (13 votes [18.84%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.84%

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#26 STiFU

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 05:45 PM

You definitely should vote, according to what the mission is now. :) An update may happen, but to be fair, only after the contest.

If you're updating it once more, pelease add the lantern to the players inventory... :) Or did I just miss it as a pickup?

Edit: Oh well, I could also just spawncheat it. =)

Edited by STiFU, 10 January 2010 - 05:52 PM.


#27 lowenz

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 06:04 PM

Some *strictly* little graphic problems:

See the strange "no shadow" line:

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See the white lines (on the wall too):

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Edited by lowenz, 10 January 2010 - 06:05 PM.

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#28 Serpentine

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 06:12 PM

The shadow is caused by an area of the patch right next to the light; light gets under it and causes that... its pretty tricky to narrow down sometimes tho :)

#29 Baddcog

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 06:23 PM

I have fixed the Builders issue for now and updated the first two links. Please propagate these changes into the others if you can.

Someone else will have to help me with the visportals; they have already been heavily revised several times, and the alternatives either
a) were worse (with minute-long freezing on some occasions),
Posted Image would have needed a thorough rebuild,
c) obstructed rooftop views in a displeasing way.
I can give access to the testing forum at Shalebridge if there are takers. For the time being and the contest, I will live with the poor performance and accept its effect on the scores.


Was planning on playing tonight, but I'd be happy to look into the vis-portals and what can be fixed.
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#30 STiFU

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 07:13 PM

I just had another playthrough on expert. This time 100% KO, all loot. And I succeeded. Man, some awesome hiding places... Loved climbing around the town!! :)

Edited by STiFU, 10 January 2010 - 07:14 PM.


#31 Zaratul

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 08:12 PM

Great mission but i`m stuck.How do i open cage with explosives inside?

#32 lowenz

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 08:19 PM

Great mission but i`m stuck.How do i open cage with explosives inside?

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Task is not so much to see what no one has yet seen but to think what nobody has yet thought about that which everybody see. - E.S.


#33 hykao

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 08:34 PM

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...and someone has asked about two stolen gemstone:
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#34 BrokenArts

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 08:57 PM

I loved the little touch with the gargoyles. Very nice.

#35 hykao

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 08:18 AM

Shame on me, but I'm stuck too...I was upstairs and downstairs, got 1305,
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Anyway maybe this is the coolest FM so far, aside from visportal things. And I really lack a MAP!!! and weather effects for example rain, like in Thief's Den.

Melan: nincs ötleted a magyar ékezetes karakterek megjelenítésére? Jó lenne magyarul játszani az FM-eket! :)

Edited by hykao, 11 January 2010 - 08:24 AM.


#36 Chiron

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 08:30 AM

Shame on me, but I'm stuck too...I was upstairs and downstairs, got 1305,

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Anyway maybe this is the coolest FM so far, aside from visportal things. And I really lack a MAP!!! and weather effects for example rain, like in Thief's Den.

Melan: nincs ötleted a magyar ékezetes karakterek megjelenítésére? Jó lenne magyarul játszani az FM-eket! :)


Remember the cool object handling TDM offers you.

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#37 Melan

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 08:36 AM

hykao:
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(Az ékezeteket valószínűleg meg lehet oldani valahogy; a Doom3 aránylag könnyen módosítható, és innen letölthető egy fordítás ékezetekkel. A fordításban viszont sajnos munka mellett nem tudok segíteni, valaki másnak kell rá vállalkoznia.)
Come the time of peril, did the ground gape, and did the dead rest unquiet 'gainst us. Our bands of iron and hammers of stone prevailed not, and some did doubt the Builder's plan. But the seals held strong, and the few did triumph, and the doubters were lain into the foundations of the new sanctum. -- Collected letters of the Smith-in-Exile, Civitas Approved

#38 hykao

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 09:47 AM

Oh, I see! :) THX for helping to both of you!

Melan: a Doom3 karakterkészletében vannak ékezetes betűk, a konzolba is beírhatók pl. - a magyarításban anno részt is vettem...azonban a TDM karakterkészletéből úgy tűnik kimaradtak...az FM-ek fordításán törtem a fejem, ám ékezetes karakterek nélkül nem az igazi a dolog... Amúgy jó kis küldetést hoztál össze! Grat! Remélem sikerül majd kiküszöbölnöd ezeket a visportál fedéseket.

Edited by hykao, 11 January 2010 - 09:52 AM.


#39 Ladro

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 10:18 AM

Bravo Melan, your mission is AWESOME!

Really thanks for this gift :D

A little scary-suicide moment:

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:P

Edited by Ladro, 11 January 2010 - 11:51 AM.


#40 masterthief

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 10:24 AM

Ez a küldetés egyszerűen félelmetes! Nagyon jól sikerült. Már az elején futkosott a hideg a hátamon. Amellett találkoztam benne olyan dologgal is ami meglepett. Már észrevett az egyik Építő, és így is sikerült szemből leütnöm 1 ütéssel. Tetszenek a rejtett odúkban a villogó fények, és elég magasra lehet feljutni. Jól néz ki a kínzókamra, az a fickó biztos sokáig volt a nyújtópadon akit bedobtak a tömlöcbe:laugh: Eddig ez az Fm a kedvencem.

#41 Goldchocobo

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 01:23 PM

It looks beautiful, the architecture very The Dark Project style... really brought me back 10 years ago (in a good way)...
Strangely enough I cannot even play this mission. I get 1 fps at the start. Weird since I have a good gaming rig (Crysis on high with 30 fps average). Although this mission I hear is a performance hog, I shouldn't be getting this low.

#42 Melan

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 01:42 PM

Goldchocobo: hm, here is an idea... How much RAM and what kind of graphic card do you have? I get unbearable chop on my laptop, and that's mainly due to the lack of memory, I think.
Come the time of peril, did the ground gape, and did the dead rest unquiet 'gainst us. Our bands of iron and hammers of stone prevailed not, and some did doubt the Builder's plan. But the seals held strong, and the few did triumph, and the doubters were lain into the foundations of the new sanctum. -- Collected letters of the Smith-in-Exile, Civitas Approved

#43 New Horizon

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 02:05 PM

Be sure to try setting the interaction shader to standard and the ambient lighting to fast in the video settings menu, if you haven't already.

Then the usual...reducing screen res.

Performance in the large outside area is choppy on my Geforce FX5200, but pretty good when I move inside. I was able to get quite playable framerates in St. Lucia with this card, so I think this map can easily perform as well as St. Lucia after some optimizations. :)

It was really nice to play a map that I didn't know anything about, and this absolutely felt like a real Thief map. Just beautiful.

#44 Goldchocobo

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 02:11 PM

Goldchocobo: hm, here is an idea... How much RAM and what kind of graphic card do you have? I get unbearable chop on my laptop, and that's mainly due to the lack of memory, I think.


2gb ddr 2 800 mhz, core 2 duo, 8800gt.
I managed to get it working but tuning down the settings to 1680-1050, no v sync, 2x AA, 4x antistropic, fast ambient and fast interaction shader.
That's a massive downgrade from my previous settings. The map still has massive fps issuse, and crashes every 10 minute or so (also breaking my savegame files).
I don't want to be mean... this map is simply gorgeous, but I'm positive the visportals are to blame. I took a quick look at it and it desperate needs help. I've had identical problems with my city. I eventually found clever tricks to split everything up, and cut off area's which 2x'd my fps and eliminated crashing. You could easily double your FPS on this map, and eliminate the possibilities of crashing with a day of work.
But oh man the map looks beautiful.
Any chance for a 1.1 return to the city?

edit: I don't mean to be discouraging, this map has a lot of expertise in it and it really shows, but it's all the more reason to re-visportal area's of the map.

#45 New Horizon

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 02:48 PM

Pretty sure baddcog is helping out with the visportals. All will be well. :) They're tricky things to get the hang of, but it will get sorted out.

#46 Melan

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 03:00 PM

Yes, we are talking shop about a revision already. It looks like there are some changes that may produce better framerate with some work. Obviously, it will take some time to get everything in place, but hopefully the final experience will be smoother.

Goldchocobo: oh. My screen can't even do 1680x1050; the best I can get to is 1280x1024. Tuning down to 1680x1050? :blink: I have no idea about the crashes, though. There were some that came up during beta, and that was solved by removing two visportals and fine-tuning a few others.
Come the time of peril, did the ground gape, and did the dead rest unquiet 'gainst us. Our bands of iron and hammers of stone prevailed not, and some did doubt the Builder's plan. But the seals held strong, and the few did triumph, and the doubters were lain into the foundations of the new sanctum. -- Collected letters of the Smith-in-Exile, Civitas Approved

#47 New Horizon

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 03:13 PM

Yeah, 1680x1050...I'm only able to play TDM and Thief 3 at 640 x 480 on my old Geforce FX 5200. Although I can bump that up to 800 x 600 in Linux.

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 03:36 PM

Yeah, 1680x1050...I'm only able to play TDM and Thief 3 at 640 x 480 on my old Geforce FX 5200. Although I can bump that up to 800 x 600 in Linux.

Melan

I am happy to use my Desktop and laptop for FPS testing

Desktop:
Core2quad QX9650
4GB DDR2-1066
Radeon HD5870
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Laptop:
Core2Duo T9500
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#49 Ladro

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 03:43 PM

Yeah, 1680x1050...I'm only able to play TDM and Thief 3 at 640 x 480 on my old Geforce FX 5200. Although I can bump that up to 800 x 600 in Linux.


Just my two cents: using AntiAliasing more or equal of 4X, IMHO it's pretty useless to have higher resolution.

#50 7upMan

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 04:10 PM

Goldchocobo, the AA is the culprit. I had 4xSS-AA enabled (on my HD4870/1G), which got me 8 fps when looking at the start in the direction of the city. After switching off AA, I got manageable 25 fps. Although it looks ugly, I'm afraid  this map forbids the use of any quality features.

Just my two cents: using AntiAliasing more or equal of 4X, IMHO it's pretty useless to have higher resolution.


It's not. When I enable 4xAA on my 24" screen (1920x1200), TDM looks just beautiful. The only thing that's slightly annoying are the extremely hard-edged shadows. I'm still experimenting with some Doom3 shaders to have them softened, but it seems that TDM produces really bad graphics errors when I try to enable them.


Edited by 7upMan, 11 January 2010 - 04:13 PM.

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