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Poll: U2: Flock rating (30 member(s) have cast votes)

Gameplay: Enjoyment. Fun duration. Smooth flow, ect. Versus Bugs. Frustration, Boredom, framelag

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#26 lowenz

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Posted 01 June 2015 - 12:08 PM

3) The bell tower would have needed some kind of purpose and a reason to be built.

Sniping and tracking enemies :D


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#27 Sotha

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Posted 01 June 2015 - 12:21 PM

Sniping and tracking enemies :D

 

Sadly, in my books this benefit will not justify the cost of the implementation. You can snipe and track enemies from the ground level. :D

 

EDIT: that said, making a tower sniping focused mission might be a different thing entirely.  ;)


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#28 Melan

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Posted 02 June 2015 - 06:20 AM

I have had the pleasure of playing this mission last evening, and like the first part, it is another smoothly executed, solid gameplay experience. There is a nice variety to the challenges; the kill/don't kill dynamic makes it particularly tricky, and you have to manage your assassinations carefully to avoid the bloodstains (at least the masked men fight and go down silently). There are plenty of reasons to dislike the people you are killing - the graphical storytelling makes sure of it - and there are a lot of potentially great situations when dealing with them.

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Ulysses really comes into his own in this episode, and he is an interesting character as a crazed/inspired sneaky Builder assassin. :ph34r:  I like that people are exploring ideas like this, or Moonbo's "paranormal investigator", and hope there will be both more to the story, and more off-the-beaten-path experiments with TDM's base gameplay.

 

If there is something I am getting second thoughts about, it is the AI relighting behaviour. It is realistic and looks good, but it reduces the strategic questions of extinguishing lights into gaining momentary convenience. In a mission that's already lit up very well, it is maybe a bit too much.

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#29 DeusXIncognita

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Posted 02 June 2015 - 10:56 PM

Finally finished.

 

Needed the help of DarkRadiant though.

I love assassination missions, and this one had some high points, and a few low ones too, all in all it was worth it, but I think I like Ulysses 1 better.

 

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#30 AluminumHaste

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Posted 07 June 2015 - 08:44 PM

Love it Sotha, great mission!


I always assumed I'd taste like boot leather.

 

#31 ajm786

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Posted 08 June 2015 - 06:50 PM

I don't know if it's just me, but the mine explosion effects on this and your last mission were THE ABSOLUTE, BEST MINE EXPLOSION SIMULATION I'VE EVER SEEN/HEARD on a video game. It was so very awesome and realistic.

 

Oh, and the mission was excellent too. Thiefy in every way.


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Posted 09 June 2015 - 04:42 AM

Thematically not as impressive as Ulysses: Genesis with the theme of the whole automaton experiments but did offer I think an improvement in terms of map layout and patrol routes setting up the gameplay when it comes to assassinating targets which is a large part of what Ulysses: Genesis was about as well. If you didn't want to be seen when killing the plague-mask targets you really had watch patrols and wait for the perfect moment to strike, and then often clean up afterwards by moving the body and dealing with any potential messes (blood stains if you sniped them with arrows, that kind of thing) so that the others who would often patrol through the areas the plague masks would inhabit wouldn't see any of that and go into an alert. Whereas in Ulysses: Genesis it was incredibly easy to just knockout the targets (gas mine the platemail guy), bring them to a secluded area and then stab the unconscious bodies with your sword or blow them all up with a mine if you were feeling fancy.

 

There were plenty of alternative routes (small water tunnels or air ducts) to get into and out of places, as well. Pretty solid mission and perhaps more compelling in story than the Thomas Porter series since Ulysses is still very mysterious in that we don't know much about him and how he ended up in that cell in the first mission. There's definitely room for continuing that story if you make more missions about him.



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Posted 09 June 2015 - 05:06 AM

Just saw this thankfully, Congratulations, Sotha!  Wow, what a spring for TDM with all these mission releases! 



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Posted 09 June 2015 - 12:51 PM

This mission was superb, like all Sotha missions.

 

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All in all, a great mission. Liked it a lot :) Can't wait for your next one, Sotha.



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Posted 19 June 2015 - 06:10 PM

I finally completed it now I've got my arm back! I loved the rest of the mission just as much as the start. In most TDM missions I feel morally obliged to leave the people in peace, so it's wonderful to have free licence to become a stealth assassin in TDM :ph34r: Hiding the bodies in such a bustling monastery made for great puzzles too.

 

A couple of minor points: the loot goal was trivial. I didn't have to search, I hit the objective (playing on max difficulty) about 3 rooms in to the monastery, after killing just 1 plague mask in the bathroom plus the leader, and before I'd found even a single hostage. And I didn't use any gas mines on my first playthrough because of the 3-knockout limit. I think I'd have used them if the limit didn't apply to plague masks, allowing a knock-out-then-kill tactic. I'll do that anyway on my next playthrough,

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You did a wonderful job on the backdrop -- the blooded bodies of the builders in the church for example -- and the drunken conversation in the wine cellar was inspired! Likewise the daytime scenes in the intro video. Were they all rendered in TDM? They look so good that I can't help wonder if there isn't a way to do a daytime mission in TDM, relying on cover rather than shadow outdoors à la Splinter Cell.

 

Overall I loved it, and I'd *really* like to play more of this style of mission.

 

p.s. This is only the 4th mission of yours that I've completed, after Knighton's, Fence, and Ulysses 1. I'm not a thief veteran and your Thomas Porter series was frankly too hard for me when I tried it last year. That's a good thing: tough missions give the game long-lasting appeal. I completed the first two by save-spamming but didn't feel I was doing them justice, and I couldn't complete any of the others after multiple attempts. By now though I reckon I probably have the skills so I'm looking forward to having another go at your series :)



#36 Sotha

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Posted 20 June 2015 - 01:06 AM

Thanks for playing, I'm glad you liked it.

Yep, all the scenes were made in DR. Daylight missions are possible to do: check out Fieldmedic's Reap as You Sow. Daylight makes it very difficult, though. The AI is brutally observant when the lightgem is at full illumimation.

Yep, TP series is very hard. With my later missions I've become more soft. ;)
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#37 Outlooker

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Posted 16 July 2015 - 10:55 AM

I had time to play this last night, and I had much fun with it.

Visuals, story etc. I found to be quite good, I am almost sorry to say just "quite good" because the general level of quality in most missions made here has become high enough that a very decent mission is almost the new "normal" and

seems to induce less praise somehow than probably would be deserved.

Therefore I will just mention the new special game mechanic that Sotha has introduced here -  and that I liked it - hostage-freeing was a new interesting aproach to DM  and brought about pleasurable challenges in clearing the path for the fleeing.

My only minor issue was that I would have found it better if I had been somehow informed beforehand  about the fact that when I approach the hostage, the killing/fleeing starts on its own - I was surprised by this in my first try and had to reaload. But this was only a very minor inconvenience.

 

Thank you again for a great time sneaking through the night, Sotha.


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#38 Tr00pertj

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 02:24 AM

Just got around to this mission and Once again Sotha, It was a great if slightly frustrating mission. I enjoyed the

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At the start I was not shore where to go but by the 15 min mark I realized it was a tight small map which took me longer than I thought it would.

I did find one bug. I could see through the wall the third pic is of the wall that is invisible ( between the Stand and arch directly above the light gem) :

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Disregard if some one has already noted.

 

Congratulations on the release and thanks for the mission I loved it in the end:)


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#39 Tarhiel

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Posted 27 August 2015 - 07:15 PM

I must say, having to kill someone (required by a story) as oppose to sneak past them was a refreshing change :)

 

Just out of curiosity, if player would use gas arrow on the boss of the usurpers, would that still count as kill?

 

Also, dev team, would it be possible to implement option to remap key binding for console in the next patch/update?

I always have to press ctrl+alt+ tilde, whereas I would like to press just tilde for quicker access.

 

If it is possible to remap it even now by modifying some file, please, do show me how or point me to link dealing with this topic.



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Posted 27 August 2015 - 09:20 PM

Also, dev team, would it be possible to implement option to remap key binding for console in the next patch/update?

I always have to press ctrl+alt+ tilde, whereas I would like to press just tilde for quicker access.

 

If it is possible to remap it even now by modifying some file, please, do show me how or point me to link dealing with this topic.

 

Heh, we were just discussing this in another thread.

 

Put this line in your darkmod/autoexec.cfg file:

 

seta com_allowConsole 1

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#41 Tarhiel

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 05:50 PM

 

 

Heh, we were just discussing this in another thread.

 

Put this line in your darkmod/autoexec.cfg file:

 

seta com_allowConsole 1

 

Ah, thank you; works like a charm :)



#42 Philflound

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Posted 06 September 2015 - 11:34 PM

I played the first mission and now on the 2nd. I was very pleased with everything going on. But there seems to be a problem. Like others mentioned, blackjacking before killing the masked guys did me in early on as I forgot about that objective and wound up getting my 3 right in the beginning. But no problem as I've been going through the mission stealthily. That is until all of a sudden I'm getting the objective failed for knocking more than 3 people out. I dropped no gas mines and have not used any other things that I can think of which will knock someone out. So I'm stuck, which I'm not pleased as I've spent the past 1 1/2 hours going through the mission. I may try to load an earlier save and see what happens, or else I'm giving up on this for now.

 

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 09:34 PM

Decided to go back and start over. This time I knocked out no one. Finished it, though I didn't find it as entertaining as I knew 2/3 of the mission already. I'm glad when you release a prisoner, they don't get killed by anyone. I was afraid of that happening.

 

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Posted 17 September 2015 - 06:30 AM

I finally got around to playing this and I really enjoyed it. It's a cool twist on standard Thief/The Dark Mod gameplay and very well executed.

 

Pros:

  • Your targets are easily recognizable and I love the mask model.
  • The layout (placement of ai, lights etc) of the map is interesting, challenging and fun.
  • The story and how it justifies the kill goal. Here it is a central gameplay element where it normally would be considered failure.

Cons:

  • I really don't like the yellow tone of the default lights. The mission would look much better with more varied lighting.
  • You can simply knock (most of) your targets out, drag them to a dark corner and stick your sword in them. This made it a bit to easy.
  • When rescuing a hostage, I had no idea if I had to escort them out or free an escape route. The (only) one I freed seemed to escape on his own but I'm still unlcear on how it is supposed to work. I didn't like the way he just started to run and maybe alert everyone when I tried to be stealthy and unnoticed.

 



#45 V-Man339

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Posted 12 October 2015 - 03:04 AM

I've routed the level, and there are JUST enough water arrows to ensure you can do a stealth score 0, all loot run without ticking off any AI with blood stains.

I'll be doing a video on it in due time.


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#46 V-Man339

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Posted 14 October 2015 - 08:29 PM

As stated, the stealth score 0, all loot run of the level has been finished.

Hope it does your level justice, Sotha.


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#47 V-Man339

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Posted 14 October 2015 - 11:11 PM

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I can't seem to find it.

 

Edit: Sorry about the triple post but I'm tired and cannot find any tool to delete posts.


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#48 Sotha

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 03:11 AM

@V-man,
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#49 V-Man339

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 03:28 AM

@V-man,

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Many thanks. Looking forward to more of Ulysses.


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#50 SteveL

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 02:10 PM

As stated, the stealth score 0, all loot run of the level has been finished.

Hope it does your level justice, Sotha.

 

Great playthrough! You really are very good at this game. I've never finished a mission on 0 stealth yet. Nice video style by the way. No talking means the viewer gets to hear what you the player hears -- very important in TDM.

 

I'd not thought of using moss arrows like that, but it seems obvious now I've seen you do it. I've only ever used them to make quick dashes possible.

 

The one tip I can contribute is that you can drop bodies down the drains much more quietly by simply manoeuvring them into the hole instead of shouldering them -- not that you needed to given your good timing!


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