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#401 Shadow

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 03:28 PM

Windows won't do updates even while online if you set your NIC to be a metered connection in the NIC properties.



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Posted 09 February 2019 - 05:29 PM

i got windows 10 home version 1803, As far as I could tell it was a critical update, and windows 10 just applies them regardless of what you are doing, the update was for windows defender which i don't use.

 

windows 10 wont update if you are not connected to the internet, so if I was doing a bios update to the computer, the router would be off and not connected.

I suppose the problem here is really the Home version. From what I have read this version usually makes a lot more unwanted stuff than the Pro version. I am not sure, how expensive this would be, but maybe you should consider upgrading (if this is possible)?


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#403 Fidcal

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 02:04 AM

Sounds like ransomware or a protection racket. "Pay for an upgrade or else!" Mind you, I wouldn't mind paying someone else to seize control of Win 10. That's no different to buying a shotgun if you keep getting burgled.

 

That tip for setting as metered is a good one. I did that a couple of days ago. Apparently they don't download so much junk (if I ever allow an update.) Technically I am metered I guess. I get 200GB a month plus half of what's left over from the previous month.  It's far more than I need but why should M$oft be allowed to steal from that? My firewall has lots of blockers for stealthy attempts by M$oft and Acer to access the net. Not one of them asked my permission  or explained wtf they were doing using my phone and I would never have known without the firewall stopping them.



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Posted 10 February 2019 - 09:41 AM

Overall I like the user experience and feature improvements in Windows 10, but its update process leaves a lot to be desired.

 

Yesterday I got yanked out of a full-screen game so Windows could nag me about an important feature update it wanted to install. After I eventually did install it, my machine rebooted and got stuck in a "Windows encountered an error and needs to restart" loop, which went through about 3 reboot cycles before automatically rolling back the changes. Now the update is showing as Pending Install and I've nervous about what is going to happen the next time it tries to install. Am I going to get stuck in endless reboot loops for the next year because of this broken update that Windows cannot install correctly?


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#405 kano

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:00 AM

They need to migrate to a COW file system, where undoing a change that damaged the system takes less than 2 seconds. They do have a COW file system, ReFS, but you're not allowed to use it for Windows, only for data.


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#406 esme

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 06:38 AM

I've set my internet connection to metered on my tablet, told it not to update on battery & shrunk the windows partition as much as I can & made a 2nd drive in the space

 

Now it only tries to update when I'm connected to the mains, there's enough room to download updates to the virus scanner which I get asked about but attempts to download O/S updates fail because there's not enough space

 

As I only use it for twitter that's fine by me



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Posted 13 February 2019 - 03:10 PM

just got the 1809 update took 2hrs to download and install and 3 minutes to get windows ready, then 1/2 a hour turning off the new unwanted features.

 

there was no way to block the update to version 1809, it didn't ask if I wanted to download or install it just did it as part of a automated windows update.


Edited by stumpy, 13 February 2019 - 03:13 PM.


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 03:06 AM

I got a new PC at work this week and apparently my university has the program "ShutUp10" installed on all new computers. This allows for a lot of settings regarding telemetry, updates, etc. Just thought, some of you might be interested.


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 10:39 AM

Yeah, definitely interested. Thanks. Downloading...



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Posted 15 February 2019 - 11:45 AM

At first sight Shutup10 looks comprehensive but confusing.
 
BUTTON OFF - Sharing of handwriting disabled
 
The above appears to be OFF but the 'disabled' shows as part of the descriptive text, as if you need to turn it ON to activate the function of being disabled. In other words, the mode of being disabled is OFF.
 
Yet further down we see...
 
BUTTON ON - App access to user account info disabled
 
The above is the REVERSE of the first one! It appears you have to set it ON to make it disabled.
 
So now I wonder if all those button settings are not yet activated at all but simply recommended? Or has it read in the current settings from the system and is showing them? Or has it already changed anything without asking? (don't think so.)
 
I'll need to give this more thought another time and do a test on one thing at a time - something not too important. I like the idea of what it's doing but I like absolute clarity over something so important.
 
It also indicates it can create restore points. These are good short term but do they know that M$oft delete old restore points without telling you? (Did last time I looked in Win 7 Pro. I set a restore point right from first install of Windows and named it so. Over the next week or so as I installed new stuff I did more restore points. Eventually, M$oft deleted some of the earlier ones without asking.)
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 08:04 PM

windows 10 only lets you have one restore point, although you can make one on a 16gb memory stick, but only one per stick.



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Posted 16 February 2019 - 02:05 PM

Yeah, now you mention it, I see there's only one of my restore points still there a few days old. There are two others but they were made covertly by M$oft before an uninstall and before a new install. No doubt they will disappear soon. Even so, all three are 'hidden' from a casual view. M$oft don't even have any direct  link that I can see to restore; you have to pretend you're going to Create a Restore Point and that's where it offers to restore. But it still hides everything but the last restore point until you look further down for a link to others. Even then (!) you only see the last restore point! You have to then click again to 'show others'. Finally you see the few there are (if there are any.) Clearly they don't want you to know any of this but simply click and leave it to M$oft. Problem is, they cater for the blundering  masses who don't know what they are doing, and for the most expert who do. Slightly knowledgeable thinkers like myself in the middle struggle. We neither want to blunder blindly, but neither can we easily find what we need.






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