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#1 Springheel

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 03:28 PM

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My speedbuild mission is complete, and should be available in the mission downloader.

 

For those who haven't watched the series, I was originally challenging myself to see if I could create a decent "Too Late" style mission in under 4 hours.  While I didn't manage that, I did stay under a 6 hour build time, which still demonstrates that you don't have to devote months of your life to creating fun TDM missions, especially by using my new modules and prefabs.

 

 

 

In this mission, Corbin sets out to steal a rival gang's loot before they are raided by the city watch.  Be aware that the mission is fairly challenging on Expert.

 

Thanks to Oldjim, MayheM and Xarg for beta-testing.

 

You can watch the creation of this map here: http://forums.thedar...hour-challenge/

 

A playthrough, with final comments, is here:

 


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#2 jaxa

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 03:44 PM

In 2020, Bikerdude releases an upgrade of the mission, increasing the build time by 100,000%.


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Posted 28 April 2017 - 03:54 PM

LOL



#4 Springheel

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 06:45 PM

I don't see that happening.



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Posted 28 April 2017 - 07:16 PM

I don't see that happening.

 

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 07:53 PM

No upgrades. Time should be spent on new missions 😎
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Posted 28 April 2017 - 11:35 PM

Congratulations on the release Springheel!

 

I've been curious on the videos but I wanted to avoid spoilers so I'm looking forward to giving this mission a playthrough tonight and finally being able to watch the process :)


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 05:32 AM

Nice little mission. It is fun to blackjack through on medium. Also one of few missions where i found all the loot.

Now that we know, that pro mappers can create enjoyable missions in less than a day i expect em flooding this forum. Looking forward to the "best mission of the week" contests...


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 06:45 AM

Added to official mirrors.



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Posted 29 April 2017 - 10:18 AM

Unfortunately, my initial reservations about the quality of those models were grounded, as they impact the overall performance. At this state, game can't maintain even 50 FPS in the warehouse area. We're talking about 6 gig GTX 1060, that thing can handle Dishonored 2 on Ultra settings in 1440p.



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Posted 29 April 2017 - 10:31 AM

Unfortunately, my initial reservations about the quality of those models were grounded,

 

 

This is a speed build made in under six hours.  Shockingly, that means it wasn't optimized for performance.  Nothing was set to noshadows.  It doesn't use LOD.  It has a lot of overlapping lights and a moving torch in that area, along with up to 5 AI.  It's not surprising performance isn't perfect. That said, it plays just fine on my moderate system, and my beta-testers had no complaints about performance either.

 

I don't know where this continual need to bitch about my modules comes from, but I'm frankly sick of hearing about it.  If you can't help yourself, perhaps you should start your own thread on the matter, rather than repeatedly complaining in every thread where they're being discussed.



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Posted 29 April 2017 - 10:57 AM

You released these models to the public, and for others to use. This is a responsibility. I'm not bitching about one extra polygon you could save here and there. This is a really simple level, it doesn't need mesh LODs. We're talking about a real problem here. Just to check whether my concerns were valid, I opened the map and deleted some of those wall modules. Before:

 

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And after:

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As you see, this is not the result of speedbuild, but this might:

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I'm genuinely curious, what was the rationale behind throwing so many polygons and edges at these walls, if you can't even see some of them? I'd never do anything like that, and no other mapper I know wouldn't either. I showed those screens to two of my friends, and I can't even cite their comments, because they were mostly the wtf material.

 

Making so many meshes is a tremendous effort, I get it, but TDM team really needs to have some QA on this, as this will impact other players, hard. Something is seriously wrong with your workflow, and if you don't believe me, try posting any of these meshes and textures on sites like Polycount, you'll get a great feedback there.


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 11:20 AM

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Just for fun, I went in and looked at the stats for that area of the map.  Even with the AI walking around, and the moving torch, I didn't see anywhere that was higher than 3500 drawcalls.  Shadows never got higher than 75000.  That is well within the performance limits of TDM, and is less than some of the areas of A New Job, which has had no performance complaints.  It's certainly more than good enough for a speedbuild.

 

The warehouse wall modules you are bitching about, yet again, are less than 400 polys each (the bare wall is less than 150). 

 

The other modules you are bitching about aren't even in the area we're talking about, which makes it rather clear that this is all just another excuse for you to complain about the modules in general. 

 

I frankly couldn't give two flying fucks what people on Polycount would say about the models.  I care what TDM mappers and players have to say.  And the overwhelming consensus has been that they're a welcome addition.  I've said it before, and I guess i have to say it again, if they're not good enough for you, don't fucking use them.  Go work on your own modules with your own workflow, and show us how it's done.  I look forward to your 300 model contribution.


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 11:37 AM

I can't comment on the frame rate in the finished version but with GTX1060 playing at 1920 x 1080 my frame rate never dropped below 60fps (limit of monitor) in the final beta

EDIT checked with finished version and no problems with frame rate


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 11:43 AM

I had some performance issues, my FPS went from 355 fps to around 80 fps in that area.

Man that torch guard was a pain in my ass!

I must be out of touch because I had a hard time getting through there.


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 11:48 AM

You aren't out of touch - it is rather difficult on the hardest setting



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Posted 29 April 2017 - 11:50 AM

I have been playing the release version and haven't had any issues so far, My fps has always sat at 60 and I haven't suffered any frame rate drops. I'm using a 980ti btw. 

 

Sometimes I find TDM boots in a funky way that can slow down any mission. A restart seems to solve the issue and I don't know why it happens. All I know is that as long as I'm getting a constant 60fps on the main menu, then the game is running well. If it dips in the menu before I even start playing I will restart until it sits at a constant 60fps and then the mission runs at full capacity. 

 

I should file this as a bug report now, come to think of it. 

 

Edit: here's the bug report btw http://bugs.thedarkm...iew.php?id=4514


Edited by Goldwell, 29 April 2017 - 12:00 PM.

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Posted 29 April 2017 - 11:51 AM

Just for fun, I went in and looked at the stats for that area of the map.  Even with the AI walking around, and the moving torch, I didn't see anywhere that was higher than 3500 drawcalls.  Shadows never got higher than 75000.  That is well within the performance limits of TDM, and is less than some of the areas of A New Job, which has had no performance complaints.  It's certainly more than good enough for a speedbuild.

 

The warehouse wall modules you are bitching about, yet again, are less than 400 polys each (the bare wall is less than 150). 

 

The other modules you are bitching about aren't even in the area we're talking about, which makes it rather clear that this is all just another excuse for you to complain about the modules in general. 

 

I frankly couldn't give two flying fucks what people on Polycount would say about the models.  I care what TDM mappers and players have to say.  And the overwhelming consensus has been that they're a welcome addition.  I've said it before, and I guess i have to say it again, if they're not good enough for you, don't fucking use them.  Go work on your own modules with your own workflow, and show us how it's done.  I look forward to your 300 model contribution.

 

:D

 

There's no sense in releasing your work if you can't deal with criticism, especially if it's valid. That's part of the fun, and the opportunity to grow. I can only guess you're used to constant praise and noone in your circles is able to fairly judge your work. Sure you can throw a tantrum like that, it's both funny and sad. Those models will snowball on you and us players later, unless you plan to include 2 SLI GTX 1080s and SSD drives as a requirement for a game that doesn't even look 2010. Getting back to good work then :)


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 12:06 PM

Well, that could have gone better I think.
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Posted 29 April 2017 - 12:26 PM

Surely there comes a point where it moves past being criticism.


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 12:31 PM

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It's gone beyond criticism at this point, more like a broken record.


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 12:55 PM

I have beta tested missions at 4-6 FPS. Lel.


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 01:39 PM

If you really built that mission in such a small amount of time, there might still be hope for the TDM campaign :D.

 

Pros:

- Very Challenging

- Nice ambient music

- TDM FM

 

Cons:

- ?

 

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Posted 29 April 2017 - 02:49 PM

Well maybe I don't have ~exacting standards~  but I enjoyed the mission. It was most challenging in the warehouse section, where the combination of the open plan, harsh industrial lights and the crowd of patrolling guards form a deadly combination. The rest is much easier (a smaller and a larger loop, in essence); ironically, it gets easier and easier as you get closer to your goal.

 

It is good for what it is, a really. Sure, much more can be done with modules, even in ways that will not have this kind of performance impact, but this is essentially a demo for a building technique.


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 05:31 PM

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Lovely mission, thank you! I quite enjoyed the challenge and its very impressive this was all done within a matter of hours. I didn't experience any performance issues myself.

 

On that note, saying the performance issues are exclusive to a couple polys on a wall asset is bogus. As Spring mentioned above, its likely due to shadow count but could be a myriad of issues including a hardware one.

 

For example:

I removed the AI (to focus on the environment performance), tweaked the wall mounted light volumes and removed the shadows on the wall meshes.

Before:

Attached File  hours_after2.JPG   78.35KB   1 downloads

After:  This may not be ideal, but about 20k less shadows and 400 less draw calls. (10 - 20 fps gain on my machine, YMMV obviously)

Attached File  hours_before2.JPG   75.2KB   1 downloads

 

This has nothing to do with Springs incredible modules, but is likely the result of building, recording, and testing a mission in such a short time (which was the whole purpose to begin with). 


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