The growing divide in genetic quality as main reason for social and political divide today

[V-Man339]

Somehow though Switzerland voted in a referendum against universal basic income.

Speaking of wisdom from the people... Direct democracy right there. For what it's worth.

 

Some Nordic countries though want to add it. We shall see how it works I guess. Should keep everyone happy, but at what cost?

This much is true, you see calls to spread the money often, but spread the work is seldom, rarely heard.

[NeonsStyle]

Genes don't have anything to do with it. It's all about upbringing which develops the right attitude for success.

[jaxa]

Genes don't have anything to do with it. It's all about upbringing which develops the right attitude for success.

 

Way to be wrong. Sad!

 

Intelligence and physical attractiveness

 

Height and reproductive success in a cohort of british men

 

Standing tall pays off, study finds

 

When it comes to height, every inch counts--in fact, in the workplace, each inch above average may be worth $789 more per year, according to a study in the Journal of Applied Psychology (Vol. 89, No. 3).

The findings suggest that someone who is 6 feet tall earns, on average, nearly $166,000 more during a 30-year career than someone who is 5 feet 5 inches--even when controlling for gender, age and weight.

Intelligence And Physical Attractiveness Both Impact Income

The researchers found that physical attractiveness had a significant impact on how much people got paid, how educated they were, and how they evaluated themselves. Basically, people who were rated good-looking made more money, were better educated and were more confident. But the effects of a person's intelligence on income were stronger than those of a person's attractiveness.

 

 

I guess the only thing left to dig up would be the evidence that genes are correlated with IQ. Something that should be plain to anyone since your genetic code determines somewhat important things... like your brain development at the cellular level. It should also be obvious that genetic disorders can lead to lower IQ.

It's true that upbringing will affect your intelligence and your ability to become successful. Someone kept in solitary confinement during their childhood will probably not become very successful or develop "the right attitude". But denying the existence of genetic factors is just ignorant.

Edited June 14, 2017 by jaxa

[Anderson]

It's important but we don't know the exact correlation and odds of causation for genes and empiric experiences of each individual in connection to their development.

[CarltonTroisi]

Genes don't have anything to do with it. It's all about upbringing which develops the right attitude for success.

While I wouldn't go quite that far, I do believe this is on the right track.

 

Besides, a fixed-mindset, especially at the individual level, is one of the most demotivating things possible.

[Anderson]

While I wouldn't go quite that far, I do believe this is on the right track.

 

Besides, a fixed-mindset, especially at the individual level, is one of the most demotivating things possible.

 

It's a combination of things usually.

 

Every person needs an individual start, push and effort. A break of covenant biblically speaking. Overcoming your condition and going forward. Otherwise it's not good. And not worth living.

[HMart]

Have no intention on participating on this debate apart from saying this sounds like something a NAZI would say.

Edited June 15, 2017 by HMart

[CarltonTroisi]

 

It's a combination of things usually.

 

Every person needs an individual start, push and effort. A break of covenant biblically speaking. Overcoming your condition and going forward. Otherwise it's not good. And not worth living.

Can you elaborate a bit more on this?

 

That last statement there could be seen as quite harsh, although I don't think you intended it as such.

[CarltonTroisi]

Have no intention on participating on this debate apart from saying this sounds like something a NAZI would say.

That was my impression of the original post. This kind of thinking is both needless, as well as false.

[Anderson]

Can you elaborate a bit more on this?

 

That last statement there could be seen as quite harsh, although I don't think you intended it as such.

Apologies. All I meant was, to do things for self perfection. To be better today than you were yesterday. And maybe become a better person tomorrow. Edited June 15, 2017 by Anderson

[NeonsStyle]

The genes idea is an old one, and has slowly been dropped in psychology. The idea that genes determine how successful you are goes back to the

corrupted ideas of evolution by Dietrich Eckart before WW2. His ideas of antisemitism was a deep influence on that nutter Hitler. After WW2 these ideas

began to turn into genes for success, and it's still around today. Recently The Guardian wrote an article on just this. I think this is the source

of the original authors argument for this in this thread. It's a very corrupt idea today and is long since dead.

 

However modern thought has shown that genes provide a solid basis, however success is determined predominantly by the influences on a child

in the formative years before school. There has been a long debate for the last 70 years over the concept of Nature vs Nurture. For years it had

to be one or the other. However as is often the case, it's turned out in a number of studies recently that it is both.

 

You are not born into this world with concrete strapped to your legs to hold you down. You are free at any time to redefine yourself. This is usualyl not

possible in a child, but in a thinking adult, it is very true. Success is mostly an attitude that the only way to fail in this world is not to try, and that

as long as you keep trying, you will reach the break through point. One of the biggest things to learn; is how to stop putting yourself in your

way. Dale Carnegie calls this Excusitis. ie constantly coming up with excuses for why you shouldn't do what you know you should do. Usually

it takes the form of, "I can only do it, if it's this way", or "I need this before I can do it".

 

Success is and always will be in your own hands. Although nurture plays a big role in whether someone will achieve or not, you are not bound by that.

If your upbringing was not supportive, you can at any time, redefine yourself. It takes commitment, and determination to achieve that, but you

can do it.

 

Here's one good reason not to believe genes define success. If you believe that, then you will always make excuses for not chasing your dreams.

 

There is no concrete wheel chained to you to hold you back. Only you, stand in your own way.

Edited June 16, 2017 by NeonsStyle