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#26 Lavender

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 01:46 PM

Grow up

after you

 

hows that hillary conspiracy treating you


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#27 Lavender

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 01:51 PM

Calling everyone who doesn't hold the same opinions as you as /r/the_donald or /pol/ is pretty pathetic, I hope for your sake you cut out that habit.

oh but me and this guy had a long conversation about the amazing trustworthiness of that place

 

(its full of nazis btw)


Edited by Lavender, 17 December 2017 - 03:20 AM.

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 01:56 PM

I don't trust either.

I trust Wikileaks because it's DKIM math verified.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 04:50 AM

"RazorFist Arcade: The Dark Mod" ----> ? ----> Illegals ----> Donald Trump ----> ? ----> Profit!


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#30 Lavender

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 06:04 PM

"RazorFist Arcade: The Dark Mod" ----> ? ----> Illegals ----> Donald Trump ----> ? ----> Profit!


Oh oh, I know what the first question mark is: theUnbeholden flipping out and spewing a bunch of racist garbage.


Edited by Lavender, 17 December 2017 - 03:20 AM.

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#31 Kurshok

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 03:30 AM

I agree with Akira. Fuck the right.

Edited by Kurshok, 15 December 2017 - 03:39 AM.


#32 Lavender

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 04:13 AM

I agree with Akira. Fuck the right.

At least, what the american right has turned into. Reagan's policies would be considered liberal in todays GOP.


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#33 Springheel

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 08:40 AM

Being white is still life easy-mode on average though

 

 

Care to explain?


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 09:29 AM

materialist leftists

LOL

In B4 "Cultural Marxists".

 

Are you serious?


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 09:41 AM

LOL (it's ironic, no, it's sarcastic 'cause there are actually some silly stupid people who believe in this and some silly INTELLIGENT people who live thanks to the former ones - the stupid believers)

 

Dummies_Guide_to_Cultural_Marxist_caste_


Edited by lowenz, 15 December 2017 - 09:41 AM.

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#36 Kurshok

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 09:51 AM

LOL (it's ironic, no, it's sarcastic 'cause there are actually some silly stupid people who believe in this and some silly INTELLIGENT people who live thanks to the former ones - the stupid believers)
 
Dummies_Guide_to_Cultural_Marxist_caste_

What a crock of /pol/cunt shit!

#37 lowenz

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 09:54 AM

The main question is: these (tipically loner) men can't see that they are actually autovictimizing themselves? :|

 

"We poor white slabs, our wives hold us by balls, oh wait we don't have wives 'cause you know all women want black WINKIES :D and black peoples are all niggas and niggas are functional to jew system and.....", etc. etc. etc

 

No, if you think so you're simply a plain educational failure (and yes, 'cause the actual system but with a BIG AMOUNT of help from you, your personal real and only defeatist   :D using a word lovable to all "extreme right"-minded people).


Edited by lowenz, 15 December 2017 - 09:59 AM.

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#38 TheUnbeholden

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:53 AM

Its not just the US. Same thing is happening in Sweden. Peaceful protestors get barraged with police, arrested and beaten. But if its afghan or middle-eastern rioters then the police stand down. Extra funds won't solve a issue of weak will i.e liberal egalitarian materialists.


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:58 AM

If you're afraid - buy a Glock 19 and learn how not to shoot yourself in the foot.
For the purposes of concealed carry.

Everybody knows the police does nothing. And on this note...
This a self defense issue concerning everyone: http://www.slate.com..._helped_me.html

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#40 Lavender

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 11:12 AM

Its not just the US. Same thing is happening in Sweden. Peaceful protestors get barraged with police, arrested and beaten.

As a person from Sweden: Fuck you. Fuck you very much for trying to speak for me.

 

Would those peaceful protesters be the actual, factual nazis that mached here last month perhaps?

 

Fuck those guys. There are no good nazis. None. Not a single one.


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#41 lowenz

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 11:13 AM

Its not just the US. Same thing is happening in Sweden. Peaceful protestors get barraged with police, arrested and beaten. But if its afghan or middle-eastern rioters then the police stand down. Extra funds won't solve a issue of weak will i.e liberal egalitarian materialists.

So you're serious? :|

 

"Liberals are weak" -> "I'm feeling weak so I project my sense of weakness onto some targets of election and I declare myself a victim of the system"

It's an universal mechanism of self-protection of the human mind.

 

I know sometimes "LGBT" people or feminist people act in this manner, but, man, the right-minded people ALWAYS act in this manner.

It's really "sometimes" vs "always": the behaviour is the same!


Edited by lowenz, 15 December 2017 - 11:17 AM.

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#42 Lavender

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 11:17 AM

Care to explain?

Sure. Its not that being white makes things easier in and of itself, but NOT being white makes things harder, on average.

 

Or, you know, not being white, male, straight, healthy, living in a wealthy nation or whatever. I should have been more clear, sorry about that. Of course you can also be white and have a very difficult life, but if you were not, it would likely be even harder.

 

Important edit: should have emphasized that these are averages.


Edited by Lavender, 17 December 2017 - 03:20 AM.


#43 lowenz

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 11:18 AM

There are no good nazis. None. Not a single one.

Good nazis were killed by nazis  :P

 

https://en.wikipedia...the_Long_Knives


Edited by lowenz, 15 December 2017 - 11:24 AM.

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#44 Springheel

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 12:10 PM

Sure. Its not that being white makes things easier in and of itself, but NOT being white makes things harder.

 

Are you intending that to be a blanket statement?  Because I'm sure we can both come up with circumstances where this would not be the case.  For example, if you live in an area where white people are a significant minority.


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#45 Lavender

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 12:50 PM

Are you intending that to be a blanket statement?  Because I'm sure we can both come up with circumstances where this would not be the case.  For example, if you live in an area where white people are a significant minority.

I messed up my writing again: no, not a blanket statement. I should have emphasized that this is on average, trying to take a lot into account. Calling it "easy-mode" is a rather jokey take on it all.

 

Edit: we might also add "speaking the local majority/official language" to the list of Good Things that makes life less complicated


Edited by Lavender, 17 December 2017 - 03:20 AM.


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 01:07 PM

So then would you say that being "white" is the key variable in what is traditionally called "white privilege", or is it simply a matter of being part of the dominant racial/cultural group that provides the benefits?  In other words, wouldn't it make life easier to be black if you lived your life in an all-black community, or do you still think it would somehow make life easier to be white in that situation?


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#47 Lavender

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 01:29 PM

So then would you say that being "white" is the key variable in what is traditionally called "white privilege", or is it simply a matter of being part of the dominant racial/cultural group that provides the benefits?  In other words, wouldn't it make life easier to be black if you lived your life in an all-black community, or do you still think it would somehow make life easier to be white in that situation?

I'm thinking more on a national level here, so yeah, being part of the dominant group provides benefits, but there are more factors than (just) who your neighbours are. In your example, the white person might still have an easier time getting up in the world if we are talking about the US, all other things being equal.



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Posted 15 December 2017 - 01:44 PM

In your example, the white person might still have an easier time getting up in the world if we are talking about the US, all other things being equal.

 

 

But the US is a predominantly white society.  So of course, if you move the example out of the neighborhood where you are the minority, into one where you are the majority, you now have benefits you didn't have before. 

 

Unless you are arguing that there is some inherent qualities to "being white" that makes one have an easier life, all arguments about white privilege seem to boil down to, "Being part of the majority is beneficial in many ways".  I don't think anyone would argue about that.  That is true whether it refers to race, sexual orientation, height, political beliefs, or, as you correctly mention, language.  It is true for just about every quality you can imagine (though it doesn't apply to class).

 

None of those traits are inherently beneficial.  They depend entirely on the context of the individual's environment.


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#49 Lavender

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 01:52 PM

Unless you are arguing that there is some inherent qualities to "being white" that makes one have an easier life, all arguments about white privilege seem to boil down to, "Being part of the majority is beneficial in many ways".  I don't think anyone would argue about that.  That is true whether it refers to race, sexual orientation, height, political beliefs, or, as you correctly mention, language.  It is true for just about every quality you can imagine.

No, I'm not saying there is anything special about white as a skin color in itself. It doesn't sound like we are actually disagreeing...

 

Sorry if I'm being terse; I'm kinda tired. Will prolly be back later.



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Posted 15 December 2017 - 02:42 PM

None of those traits are inherently beneficial.  They depend entirely on the context of the individual's environment.

Of course it depends on the environment whether exhibiting a lighter skin color decreases the probability of beeing beaten up for no apparent reason or not. Only a racist white environment grants that privilegue because in a non-racist environment the skin color would not matter - and in a racist black environment a lighter skin color would even increase the likelyhood of getting beaten up for no reason...

But all that white/male/straight privilegues stuff is not actually about color/sex/gender/sexual orientation or something like that. It is more a vehicle for raising awareness about the existance of group dynamics that are actually hurting and even killing people... It certainly does not help the cause when people overshoot while trying to raise awareness. But they are just humans and experience emotions too.

 

That said, it looks like the white privilegue is still real in current western culture (especially in USA and France). I doubt, that there are still significant privilegues for beeing male or straight in less religious communities though. The group-think awareness improved a lot in the last few decades. But proliferation of broadcast capabilities also drastically increased the reach of throlls and radicals of all "sides". And it looks like we are heading towards a big depression that could provide the perfect environment for the rise of a new Hitler. So times keep getting more interesting...






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