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#101 Kurshok

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 08:12 AM

And you can always say to them "What a bunch of stupid people, 'cause you're thinking you're high-intelligent but your arguments are pseudorational".
 
There's nothing more to say in answer.
Really: "I'm proud to be a racist" (sort of, there's no "biological" racism today) is another way to say "I'm a socially awkward and childish, please hear my voice".

When they're alone. But what happens when they get a bunch of other awkward losers who agree with them, and they whip themselves into a frenzy and start trying to get the political power to become a real politician, and start coverify each other's backs so they can break the law to harass minorities whole hiding their actions from the Feds? What happens when they start never using condoms so they can have massive families, and teach their children to be like them, swelling the numbers of their racist group faster than non-racists? Shouldn't someone in the government step in and publicly denounce not only their views, but the members of said hate group themselves, to shame them and their family into, if not changing their ways, keeping their yaps shut?

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 08:15 AM

The moment you start a policy where mods ban or lock wastes of time or unpopular things both my videos and this entire thread would be deleted.

That is a bad idea.

 

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 08:33 AM

When they're alone. But what happens when they get a bunch of other awkward losers who agree with them, and they whip themselves into a frenzy and start trying to get the political power to become a real politician, and start coverify each other's backs so they can break the law to harass minorities whole hiding their actions from the Feds? What happens when they start never using condoms so they can have massive families, and teach their children to be like them, swelling the numbers of their racist group faster than non-racists? Shouldn't someone in the government step in and publicly denounce not only their views, but the members of said hate group themselves, to shame them and their family into, if not changing their ways, keeping their yaps shut?

A bunch of losers is a loser^2 :D

Really, they can't get anything working on a large scale.


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 08:46 AM

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I believe that by allowing hate speech, one is encouraging hate groups to fester and slink about to try and take over and make their vile ideas law.

 

"Hate speech" is a nebulous term that can be used to attack virtually any idea you don't approve of without actually having to do the work of pointing out where it is wrong.

 

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 09:00 AM

When they're alone. But what happens when they get a bunch of other awkward losers who agree with them, and they whip themselves into a frenzy and start trying to get the political power to become a real politician, and start coverify each other's backs so they can break the law to harass minorities whole hiding their actions from the Feds? What happens when they start never using condoms so they can have massive families, and teach their children to be like them, swelling the numbers of their racist group faster than non-racists? Shouldn't someone in the government step in and publicly denounce not only their views, but the members of said hate group themselves, to shame them and their family into, if not changing their ways, keeping their yaps shut?

 

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 09:05 AM

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 09:23 AM

When they're alone. But what happens when they get a bunch of other awkward losers who agree with them, and they whip themselves into a frenzy and start trying to get the political power to become a real politician, and start coverify each other's backs so they can break the law to harass minorities whole hiding their actions from the Feds? What happens when they start never using condoms so they can have massive families, and teach their children to be like them, swelling the numbers of their racist group faster than non-racists? Shouldn't someone in the government step in and publicly denounce not only their views, but the members of said hate group themselves, to shame them and their family into, if not changing their ways, keeping their yaps shut?

So I have to ask, what brings you to the Dark Mod forums anyway? This is off topic, so it doesn't really matter, yet I can't help but wonder if you actually play or help develop the Dark Mod or Thief fan missions.


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 03:28 PM

So I have to ask, what brings you to the Dark Mod forums anyway? This is off topic, so it doesn't really matter, yet I can't help but wonder if you actually play or help develop the Dark Mod or Thief fan missions.

To discuss ideas for the game, potential Thief or TDM related issues, and other nonpolitical stuff. The reason the jumped into the political fighting fray is because someone referred to blacks as "subhuman morons", and the moderator seemed to be looking the other way, no offense Springheel. So, I figure to myself, if he can talk about how he hates minorities and mentions in the beginning of his post how he wants them enslaved,then I should, by the same logic, be able to tell him right where to cram that idiotic idea of his.
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Posted 21 December 2017 - 03:29 PM

A bunch of losers is a loser^2 :D
Really, they can't get anything working on a large scale.

Nazi Germany?

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 03:56 PM

. The reason the jumped into the political fighting fray is because someone referred to blacks as "subhuman morons", and the moderator seemed to be looking the other way, no offense Springheel. 

 

Please quote where he referred to blacks as "subhuman morons".  I didn't read the entire piece, so it's possible I missed it. 

 

I highly doubt anyone bothered to read the entire dissertation this time, especially since Outlooker appears to be repeating positions he already walked back when he was challenged on them the last time. 

 

However, if you have problems with the ideas, the correct approach is to point out where they're wrong.  


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 04:32 PM

Nazi Germany?

That's antisemitism, not general racism. And a very particular type of antisemitism: populist antisemitism, with the precise goal to collect consensus via antisemitic propaganda.

Remember that Himmler said to Fritz Lang: "We decide who's jew".

 

So the real BASIC problem is the people susceptibility to populist propaganda (the racist one and the other ones, there are plenty of them).


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 04:40 PM

About the "subhumans" lines:

 

Nazis are something completely different - and new. They are, at the same time, socialists and nationalists, "national socialists" (vs. "international socialists") as their name clearly announces, combining aspects of both right- and left-wing ideology.
 
This is a central element how Hitler won the elections that brought him to power: By combining the elective potential from both left- and right-wing parties, and most of the people who stand in-between.
He promised "everything to everybody": The right should keep their national pride, militarism and SS, patriotism, hierarchy and receive  a "strong leader"; the left should get their expropriation of the "rich" (which were impersonated as just being Jews), and guaranteed work/abolishment of unemployment. So, every ideology could kind of "have their cake and eat it, too."
While this wins elections by promising a large majority of people what they desire, it cannot work in reality, just like socialism cannot work. At least not by having the resources of only one nation.
Therefore, aggressive expansion and exploitation is necessary, basically with the goal of enslaving other people who are not members of the "national socialists", the in-group - so the Nazis made up quickly some kind of ideology from scratch that "proved" that those who are not "Aryans" are subhumans, who can be readily enslaved to provide the resources for the "socialism" for the "nationals", that is, "Aryans", the in-group of national socialism, or Nazism. This is all a huge ball of nonsense, nothing else but  a weird dictatorship.

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 04:43 PM

About "national socialists".

 

Nazis were NEVER "socialists", they simply used that term 'cause at the time it was "on fire" (all about "socialism" as now it's all about "social" :P )

Italian fascists were socialists IN SOME MEASURE (in particular the https://en.wikipedia...Social_Republic ), but no live nazi head was a real socialist (they killed all the socialist wing in https://en.wikipedia...the_Long_Knives )


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 05:48 PM

Remember that Himmler said to Fritz Lang: "We decide who's jew".

Getting even more offtopic, but note that Lang's stories about his contacts with the nazis are both self-serving and extremely dubious. They are contradicted by a whole lot of evidence pointing right in the opposite direction. Modern film historians tend to consider them pieces of self-promotion Lang did in the early 40s to solidify his anti-fascist credentials, which were not quite as firm as he would have liked people around him to believe. To put it bluntly, back in 1933, he wanted that job as head of the German film industry, and saw no issues competing for it until his bid failed.

 

And that's not even the dirtiest laundry in a long-long biography. On the other hand, he was a genius filmmaker (he is my favourite filmmaker), which shows that people can't be distilled to their individual personality traits. Which, I suppose, brings things back on topic. .)


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 05:53 PM

 

About the "subhumans" lines:

This is all a huge ball of nonsense, nothing else but  a weird dictatorship.

 

This I wrote, and it clearly refers to the constructed idea of "Aryans" by the Nazis, and most clearly condemns the whole thing. To interpret it otherwise clearly proves malicious intent or perhaps having lost the red line of my argument.

 

About Nazis being socialists: Not only their own name clearly announces it, a couple of core elements of socialism are clearly elements of Nazism, too (no free use of capital, that is, no absolutely guaranteed private property and other things). This is established fact, but I here offer you the very words of the chief Nazi himself:

(By the way: This is an original document that, if you pay close attention, is very unlikely to be presented in Western contemporary schoolbooks or TV-documentaries, because some of Hitler's criticisms of "democracy" are rather apt.)

 

About " the people susceptibility to populist propaganda" - have you forgotten what the word "populist" means? How can anything populist be something bad in a democracy? Hint: "Populus" and "Demos", the origin of both words, mean the same, the first being Roman/Italian(?) in origin, the latter Greek.

 

I also wonder why one could arrive at the conclusion that I am "antisemitic". Nothing like this can be inferred from my text. While "Semites" includes more people than just the Jews, many  of them I do not actually care about, I have actually a very positive opinion of the Jews, not for sentimental reasons, but  out of self-interest: During the holocaust, roughly half of all Jews in the world were killed. 

Why would I care?

It turns out that Jews, and especially the Ashkenazi,  are the cognitively most superior people on earth. Disproportionately many Jews, compared to all other races/groups were and are leaders in many fields, innovators and scientists etc.

For some data, look here:

jinfo.org

Let me quote a key fact:

"Jews have been awarded 26% of all Nobel Prizes and 28% of those in the scientific research fields.  (Jews currently make up approximately 0.2% of the world's population and 2% of the US population.)"

Because half of the Jews were killed, we can expect, roughly and on average, that Jewish contributions to humanities' progress - a disproportionately large and important one - also was about halved. Perhaps one of those Jews that were killed would have invented a cure for cancer or made fusion power reality! We cannot know, because they never had a chance; but we can say with great confidence that humanity would have developed more if those Jews would have not been killed, that each of our lives would be richer with better science, technology, businesses etc. And this is where it touches my self-interest, and also yours.

Because Ashkenazi are so inventive, productive and generally cognitively superior over everybody else, our very own lives are worse because of the very loss of the Holocaust, and that is exactly where things get personal also for non-Jews.

 

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Ideas like "White suprematism" are actually refuted by the facts; if anything, Whites are mediocre. Only one people, the Jewish, among them the Ashkenazi, is clearly the most superior race of humanity.

I may have a personal bias in this judgment: I was strongly influenced by some Jewish authors, which put me on the right track in financial matters, and indirectly through that, perhaps even saved my life.

Those two are Andre Kostolany, and Benjamin Graham. So I have a special gratitude, which may result in myself having a somewhat over-positive view of Jews, but probably not much, if at all.


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 05:57 PM

Remember that Himmler said to Fritz Lang: "We decide who's jew".

And today, I feel certain other people wish to have the power terms of "We decide who's Nazi."


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 07:31 PM

I'm talking about the little point you made under a "hidden" tab, Outlooker.

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 07:34 PM

That, and calling them "weak", "ugly", "ghetto-dwelling Negros"?

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 07:39 PM

You literally admitted it in the first paragraph. "I am a homophobe, sexist, racist conservative who wants to "have" slaves."

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 10:37 PM

why are Asians missing from that IQ list, then again everyone's ancestors originally came from Africa, so you were once black many aeons ago



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Posted 21 December 2017 - 11:21 PM

That is coming into dispute after some fossil discoveries in Bulgaria and Greece

https://www.newscien...ope-not-africa/


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Posted 22 December 2017 - 03:16 AM

And today, I feel certain other people wish to have the power terms of "We decide who's Nazi."

 

Well, today there are nazi-sympathazers paid by the real mobster who uses Putin as an ideal leader (no, better, as a BRAND) and Dugin (conservative euro-asian "empire" champion) as a maitre-a-penser: GAZPROM :D

Obviously there's no "nazi danger" but a very real Gazprom influence in US and EU. And they use the "good old" national and socialist arguments through indirect political support (Salvini, Le Pen, etc.) to gain it.


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Posted 22 December 2017 - 03:23 AM

About Nazis being socialists: Not only their own name clearly announces it, a couple of core elements of socialism are clearly elements of Nazism, too (no free use of capital, that is, no absolutely guaranteed private property and other things). This is established fact, but I here offer you the very words of the chief Nazi himself:

 

About " the people susceptibility to populist propaganda" - have you forgotten what the word "populist" means? How can anything populist be something bad in a democracy? Hint: "Populus" and "Demos", the origin of both words, mean the same, the first being Roman/Italian(?) in origin, the latter Greek.

 

I also wonder why one could arrive at the conclusion that I am "antisemitic". Nothing like this can be inferred from my text. While "Semites" includes more people than just the Jews, many  of them I do not actually care about, I have actually a very positive opinion of the Jews, not for sentimental reasons, but  out of self-interest: During the holocaust, roughly half of all Jews in the world were killed. 

Why would I care?

It turns out that Jews, and especially the Ashkenazi,  are the cognitively most superior people on earth. Disproportionately many Jews, compared to all other races/groups were and are leaders in many fields, innovators and scientists etc.

For some data, look here:

jinfo.org

Let me quote a key fact:

"Jews have been awarded 26% of all Nobel Prizes and 28% of those in the scientific research fields.  (Jews currently make up approximately 0.2% of the world's population and 2% of the US population.)"

Because half of the Jews were killed, we can expect, roughly and on average, that Jewish contributions to humanities' progress - a disproportionately large and important one - also was about halved. Perhaps one of those Jews that were killed would have invented a cure for cancer or made fusion power reality! We cannot know, because they never had a chance; but we can say with great confidence that humanity would have developed more if those Jews would have not been killed, that each of our lives would be richer with better science, technology, businesses etc. And this is where it touches my self-interest, and also yours.

Because Ashkenazi are so inventive, productive and generally cognitively superior over everybody else, our very own lives are worse because of the very loss of the Holocaust, and that is exactly where things get personal also for non-Jews.

 

 

 

 

Ideas like "White suprematism" are actually refuted by the facts; if anything, Whites are mediocre. Only one people, the Jewish, among them the Ashkenazi, is clearly the most superior race of humanity.

I may have a personal bias in this judgment: I was strongly influenced by some Jewish authors, which put me on the right track in financial matters, and indirectly through that, perhaps even saved my life.

Those two are Andre Kostolany, and Benjamin Graham. So I have a special gratitude, which may result in myself having a somewhat over-positive view of Jews, but probably not much, if at all.

1) LOL: "no free use of capital, that is, no absolutely guaranteed private property and other things" -> so US too is a socialist country :D
2)  LOL: please, you don't fool me (ah, the Queen song :D) about the "jews", do not try to cover up with  this clearly sarcastic and ironically biased answer  :D

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 03:29 AM

Man, I love the right-wing passive-aggressive cover ups when it comes to "jews".
That answer is the perfect example of masqueraded (and childish) hate :D
 
And I'm not the best friends of zionists, but that's sarcastic bullshit :P

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 04:08 AM

In B4 Ashke--Nazi :D


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