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#126 lowenz

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 05:39 AM

Outlooker, please, take that mask off :D

 

It's over :P


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#127 Anderson

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 05:47 AM

Without backtracking the race and nation topic, the democracy take is weird.

Nobody says direct democracy works. That's why populism is blamed. All referendums this year failed in Europe. Is it really not obvious that direct democracy can work only on minor issues like in Switzerland or in relation to a highly educated society? That's why we came up with representative democracy in the first place.

 "I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."...

 

 

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#128 lowenz

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 06:34 AM

Without backtracking the race and nation topic, the democracy take is weird.

Nobody says direct democracy works. That's why populism is blamed. All referendums this year failed in Europe. Is it really not obvious that direct democracy can work only on minor issues like in Switzerland or in relation to a highly educated society? That's why we came up with representative democracy in the first place.

And this is exactly the main problem of today's world.

 

'cause you know, "to represent" can gain some not-so-transparent aspects :P


Edited by lowenz, 22 December 2017 - 06:35 AM.

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#129 Abusimplea

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 06:51 AM

Nobody says direct democracy works. That's why populism is blamed. All referendums this year failed in Europe. Is it really not obvious that direct democracy can work only on minor issues like in Switzerland or in relation to a highly educated society? That's why we came up with representative democracy in the first place.

It is mostly about economics. Influencing a poll costs a lot of labour and money. So to make that job easier, we got representative democracy. That way the populists only need to do all that work once every legislative period. They only have to win that one election and can then be lazy until the next. Imagine the waste of resources for never-ending hustings.



#130 V-Man339

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 11:02 AM

Without backtracking the race and nation topic, the democracy take is weird.

Nobody says direct democracy works. That's why populism is blamed. All referendums this year failed in Europe. Is it really not obvious that direct democracy can work only on minor issues like in Switzerland or in relation to a highly educated society? That's why we came up with representative democracy in the first place.

 

 

And this is exactly the main problem of today's world.

 

'cause you know, "to represent" can gain some not-so-transparent aspects :P

It got really old explaining to people after the 2016 election that the entire reason for the electoral system was because Hollywood county has more population than many of the states do.

Also nobody likes the not-so-transparent aspects, they're the first thing everyone complains about. Patriot act, Obama's backdoor dealings before and after the massive bailouts, the NSA leaks and the fact that neither candidate in the 2012 election bothered to even bring them up as a point of contention, etc.


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#131 Anderson

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 02:15 PM


 "I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."...

 

 

- 2 July 1844 letter to James Russell Lowell from Edgar Allan Poe.

 





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