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#1 RPGista

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 09:18 PM

Sorry if this is already a thing, but I was wondering if we have a DarkMod official youtube channel (or if we could have one) where we can collect not only trailers and stuff, but more importantly, all the video tutorial series we have from people like Springheel, Sotha, Obs, Komag, Bikerdude, etc. It would be pretty sweet to have those playlisted or linked or something like that - Im not really knowledgeable of youtube stuff. Basicly, having all that valuable info collected in a single place.


Edited by RPGista, 27 February 2018 - 09:20 PM.


#2 freyk

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 04:11 AM

Yes, that would be nice.
And its easy to create, but someone of the team needs to manage it.

idea: you create the google account, login with that on youtube, create a page and put some playlists on it.
Finally give useraccount password to someone of the team.

And to help the owner of the page:
youtube gaming - TDM
Video tutorials links on the wiki

Edited by freyk, 28 February 2018 - 04:21 AM.

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#3 Bikerdude

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 05:15 AM

And to help the owner of the page:
youtube gaming - TDM

That's an auto-generated content page.


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#4 freyk

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 05:21 AM

I know.
The manager of the future tdm ytvideo page,can use that as a example.
And can copy the links of the videos.

Shall i create an page to give the manager a running start?
And give the future manager the keys after this?

And as a joke,
shall we create an instagram page?
(with nice pictures from the TDM world)

Edited by freyk, 28 February 2018 - 06:56 AM.


#5 Springheel

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:40 AM

I'm pretty sure we already have one, it's just not managed well.


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Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:51 AM

lot of those video's on the auto-generated page have nothing to do with the dark mod, they either have dark or mod in the video's title, but not both words together,



#7 freyk

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:18 AM

I'm pretty sure we already have one, it's just not managed well.

Do you mean this one: The Dark Mod
Of so, its needs a serious redesign.

Edited by freyk, 28 February 2018 - 09:18 AM.

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#8 Petike the Taffer

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:22 AM

I'd love to help create a channel for our project, or help manage one. I do have some experience with this (over my decade of YT-ing), even though I don't upload or sort videos that regularly. But I'm good with adding and editing playlists, so if anyone has any interest in me helping with that bit of the promo (at least for collected existing videos or reuploaded videos), I will be very glad to help.
 
For the time being, here's my own playlist of TDM-related vids I've been collecting in past years: https://www.youtube....m8rLv6V9-kXEe_z
 
I've tried to sort them in chronological order (though I might have neglected that on some of the more recently added vids at the tail end of the playlist. You'll have to check. Until today, I had it as a private playlist, but I've switched it to public status now and I'm willing to share it as a source of videos to collect or migrate for an official TDM channel.

Do you mean this one: The Dark Mod
Of so, its needs a serious redesign.


I've noticed that one a while back. Yes, if that's our channel, it could use some redesigning. Sorting stuff into playlists and so on. Linking to videos on other people's channels, if they're too hard to move right now. Adding links to affiliated channels (channels that have provided other TDM videos, whether on editing/modding, or LPs, or anything else). Adding a reasonably detailed but brief description for the whole channel.

Edited by Petike the Taffer, 28 February 2018 - 09:25 AM.

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#9 Anderson

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 10:03 AM

I don't think that's terribly important. 

It will eventually die out, password going to be lost or whatnot. Channels that die take all their videos to the coffin with them unfortunately. After the important stuff gets uploaded, the person managing the channel will switch to other interests and dump it all as always.

Moreover, the videos uploaded will mostly be copies of existing uploaded videos. 

AFAIK the most important stuff is already on TaffersInn channel with all things related to Thief (including The Dark Mod). Without the need to mention that just for 1 video their previous channel got flagged and closed because of a person abusing copyright over concept art used in a fan video. Attitudes like that and the mess that the copyright and strike system is on YouTube renders the effort worthless IMHO.

 

 

 It would be good just to focus on managing the existent page of facebook and the current forum/wiki.


Edited by Anderson, 28 February 2018 - 10:06 AM.

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 10:44 AM

Well, youtube/twitch/etc is the new tv.
And If we can use it to promote TDM,
to get new community members,
This would be nice.
 
At least make contact the owner of the page, to give us the logindata.
so someone can update the page and another one keeps the video up to date.
(and set the forgetpassword emailadress to the main mailcontactadress)

Edited by freyk, 28 February 2018 - 10:58 AM.

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 11:28 AM

Won't deny that it's true but there's no better promotion than being on Steam.


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#12 freyk

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 11:33 AM

Thats also true.

But putting it on steam, takes a long time and needs experienced developers.

Updating an youtube page, takes (mili)seconds and needs enthusiasts users to manage it.


Edited by freyk, 28 February 2018 - 11:35 AM.

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#13 RPGista

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 03:35 PM

I'd love to help create a channel for our project, or help manage one. I do have some experience with this (over my decade of YT-ing), even though I don't upload or sort videos that regularly. But I'm good with adding and editing playlists, so if anyone has any interest in me helping with that bit of the promo (at least for collected existing videos or reuploaded videos), I will be very glad to help.

I've noticed that one a while back. Yes, if that's our channel, it could use some redesigning. Sorting stuff into playlists and so on. Linking to videos on other people's channels, if they're too hard to move right now. Adding links to affiliated channels (channels that have provided other TDM videos, whether on editing/modding, or LPs, or anything else). Adding a reasonably detailed but brief description for the whole channel.

 

Glad to hear it my friend. Thats bascily what would be needed, IMO. Sorting things into collections or playlists, linking to relevant videos and other channels. We definitely dont need an all encompassing list of every darkmod video out there, just the most important ones we feel an official channel should point players/would be mappers to. In my eyes, the official trailers, some quality reviews, and the meat of TDM, the tutorial series. If we are getting ambitious, links to the various lets play series around.

 

Its just that if you go on youtube and search for darkmod, even darkmod tutorial or some such generic query, you get a lot of random lets play videos, a bunch of scattered tutorials, unrelated stuff, and it would be nice to have a channel there that lists all the essential material the community would want to showcase.

 

As for your concerns, Anderson, I dont really see a reason for it to be the exclusive job of a team member, the access could be open for anyone in the community, and while the channel could be managed mainly by someone knowledgeable like Petike, as a volunteer, pretty much anyone could step up in the future and it could be a bit of a wikipedia page, where people can go and tidy it up if they feel its needed. Even if it is to remain exclusive to the team, once the main work is done, we would already have a very good source of material set up for the future, despite members moving on or occasional updates taking longer to happen.


Edited by RPGista, 28 February 2018 - 03:40 PM.

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 05:12 PM

I also think an official channel would be great! and would add that I think it should have video updates with a short trailer for every new FM that is released. I'm sure there are many people who "forget" about TDM because they have to either check the forums or load up the client in order to find out if there are any new FMs. But with a simple YT subscription they would get a little notification whenever there is a new one, making it a lot more likely they'll see it.


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 07:25 AM

Won't deny that it's true but there's no better promotion than being on Steam.

I don't think this would matter as much as some people thiink, since there are too many really bad games on Steam nowadays, especially some mod turned into standalone games like the recently released HL2 mod "Hunt Down The Freeman"...


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 08:02 AM

Source mods are really out of the question. Especially since mods/games on the Source engine always use the same art assets/sounds. By now for anyone who's caught the first Source games in the beginning , people like that just get tired of them.

Not the case with stuff like No More Room in Hell where they've put a lot of effort with dynamic music, generated level scenarios (something like in Left 4 Dead) and there's quality in every polished detail.

For the same reasons The Dark Mod stands out.


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 "I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."...

 

 

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#17 freyk

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 10:18 AM

What shall we do now?



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 10:27 AM

For the same reasons The Dark Mod stands out.

Of course. But to get new publicity people have to recognize that TDM is different, because just being on Steam nowadays does not mean a game is good anymore!


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#19 freyk

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Posted 03 March 2018 - 09:05 AM

So who will pick the yt-page up?

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Posted 03 March 2018 - 05:57 PM

I think it would be great if we could take up on Petike's offer and let him have a crack at fleshing out the channel. Adjustments could easily be done by someone on the team afterwards, and any improvements that might come from it would be welcomed, and wouldnt hurt. What do you guys say?


Edited by RPGista, 03 March 2018 - 05:59 PM.

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#21 teh_saccade

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 12:45 AM

It would be possible to use also use Steam to promote, collect and curate the existing youtube videos and regularly ensure members there got to see them by using TDM's steam group page.

People on Steam will receive a notification every time a link to a youtube video (or anything else) is posted as an announcement.

Spoiler


The game doesn't need to be in the steam store for it to have a presence on steam.
It's as if TDM has given up on steam because of the greenlight thing. Idk why.

I never, ever check my youtube subscriptions - or watch game streaming, twitch is crap. If I want to buy a game but not sure, I'll just look it up on steam broadcasting and watch someone who's playing it for 5 mins while the pirate copy is downloading, to try it out for myself before buying it or deleting it. Have all emails and notes from google services turned off, because they are very annoying and spam my email inboxes.

I occasionally check facebook. Watch Lawrence Kenshin Striking Breakdowns (not on his youtube) and maybe message someone. Everyone is snoozed because idgaf about cat memes and Facebook sends emails I don't want. I dismiss the phone notes immediately, Facebook sucks. Instagram is better - I know when it notifies, it's something I want to see or someone I 90-100% want to talk with, like 50% of the people on whatsapp and 0% on linkedin.

I always, always read my steam notifications. Steam doesn't spam me with email. I open it up at least 3-4 times a week most weeks, even if only to chat with someone and look at activity and check notifications. I'll even check my phone for some steam notifications when they buzz before getting to the computer. It's always something I want to see.

It'd be the best of both worlds, or all four if run in conjunction with facebook and forums and collected ppl's youtube videos with relevant announcement messages.


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#22 Petike the Taffer

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Posted 22 April 2018 - 06:18 AM

I think it would be great if we could take up on Petike's offer and let him have a crack at fleshing out the channel. Adjustments could easily be done by someone on the team afterwards, and any improvements that might come from it would be welcomed, and wouldnt hurt. What do you guys say?

 

Thank you kindly. I would like to try and expand it a bit. However, I'd need editing permission there first, as I've only ever managed my own channel. Another good bit of help would be collecting the banners and backgrounds we've made over the years for TDM promotion. Maybe some bit of that background art could be picked to help make the channel distinct. The rest of the work will be down to the info section and the playlists.

 

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Later update: Nevermind the talk of a banner. Since working on the channel, I have noticed it already has a pretty good banner of its own.


Edited by Petike the Taffer, 24 May 2018 - 03:14 AM.

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#23 Judith

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Posted 22 April 2018 - 08:30 AM

Btw. that kind of initiative seems perfect for TDM YT channel: http://forums.thedar...appers-podcast/



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Posted 24 April 2018 - 10:25 PM

Btw. that kind of initiative seems perfect for TDM YT channel: http://forums.thedar...appers-podcast/

 

Definitely. Would be a great way to start.


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Posted 26 April 2018 - 10:44 AM

Btw. that kind of initiative seems perfect for TDM YT channel: http://forums.thedar...appers-podcast/

 
Yes, we could combine the whole effort. It's the easiest thing in the world to upload podcast episodes and then put them in their own playlist. We can have a few playlists showcased on the opening page of the channel, and one of the playlist could include the podcast. (Or multiple podcast series, if we ever do more than one, i.e. a podcast for level builders, a general podcast about the mod, etc. I myself lean towards having just a single podcast, but having a rotating range of topics concerning various aspects of TDM.)

Definitely. Would be a great way to start.


So, who has "the keys" to the existing official channel ? I'll start refurbishing it, I don't have much to do now, but I need official permission to use it. Otherwise I'm just a spectator.

Edited by Petike the Taffer, 26 April 2018 - 10:45 AM.

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