Thief 2 Gold Missions + T1/2 source 3DS files

[Darkness_Falls]

Just a hunch, but I highly doubt oDDity would want his model used in Thief 3 in any way, shape or form

[New Horizon]

Just a hunch, but I highly doubt oDDity would want his model used in Thief 3 in any way, shape or form

 

I think he would prefer to have his eyes gouged out, his hands cut off and his penis fed to wild boars before having any of his work appear in T3.

[oDDity]

Exactly.

Still, one Thief model is pretty much like any other, so I can see the confusion. I've made several Thief models over the last few years. That one posted did actually start out on the Ion Storm forums as a model I was making of Garrett. THis was before the informaiton balckout on TDS was lifted, so I had no idea what the TDS Garrett was going to look like. It was mainly based on Thief 1&2 concept art. I made it for this TDS wallpaper, which I thought would be nice in the absense of any real TDS media. It was actually the first character I ever made. I later modified it and made it low poly for Nightblade.

[Dram]

Exactly.

Still, one Thief model is pretty much like any other, so I can see the confusion. I've made several Thief models over the last few years. That one posted did actually start out on the Ion Storm forums as a model I was making of Garrett. THis was before the informaiton balckout on TDS was lifted, so I had no idea what the TDS Garrett was going to look like. It was mainly based on Thief 1&2 concept art. I made it for this TDS wallpaper, which I thought would be nice in the absense of any real TDS media. It was actually the first character I ever made. I later modified it and made it low poly for Nightblade.

 

Almost ironically you have a rope arrow in the background there, lol. Damned consoles ended great PC games.

[Ombrenuit]

I think its amazing that former employees of Looking Glass trust the community enough to release unfinished levels like this. They would only do so if they had confidence that the community could do something special with them, and really, how many communities are dedicated enough to grant that kind of trust and confidence?

 

I really do hope we will be able to play those missions in greater glory then they would have ever seen otherwise.

[ZylonBane]

I think its amazing that former employees of Looking Glass trust the community enough to release unfinished levels like this. They would only do so if they had confidence that the community could do something special with them

Wow, it must be great to be a mindreader!

 

Please. I severely doubt that whoever released these maps did so with the expectation that they'd be turned into playable missions. I find them fascinating as historical artifacts. If we happen to get to play them at some point in the future, well, that's just a bonus.

[sparhawk]

I thought so as well. Most likely they released it, because they know that the Thief fans would appreciate it. I doubt that they had any expectations to make into something "great".

[demagogue]

I was going to voice some concern about the self-appointed managers of the restoration project that were coming forward, but it seems New Horizon beat me to it in the TTLG thread. (I just today polished off some of my part of the Chain Project right next to nicked's part and ... hmmmf, it doesn't bode well, although in fairness his last FM was quite good, polished and fun, although then again he only registered at TTLG in Jan 2006.)

 

I'm glad he (NH) brought it up the way he did, though.

One thing, nicked seems to intend to canvass ideas from the general public and whatever dromeder comes forward to say s/he wants to help. His forum is already public and attracting trolls and what is probably worse: fans (or god knows where these people may come from...) whose enthusiasm for doing something for Thief might outweigh their better-judgment for FM making, which was the achilles heel to T2X I thought ... and while ok for a totally fan-driven project, there should really be higher standards set for this project, which touches on canon material. I mean, it would really be ashame if it's going to be as open as he is suggesting; I think he's overestimating the faith that "if it sucks we'll just keep working on it until it's good." Once a mediocre dromeder gets invested in their work, or the "group think" of very open projects sets in, it might not be such an easy thing to pull off.

 

I think in retrospect Digi might have avoided the possibility that this could go sour by contacting a few veteran dromeders before he made the public announcement, so a team would already have been on hand right from the beginning. I hope the NH side carries the day here. It's not just about being a "newbie", it's about demonstrating a long-standing commitment to community before taking the liberty to take its rights. Or maybe that's not the right way to say it. A better way to phrase it, maybe, is that things are just happening too fast here when there should be a much longer, community wide discussion about what we should do with these missions, than for just a few newish dromeders to suddenly come out of the woodworks and start building on them the *next* day after they are released (I mean, I'd count myself in that category as well). The way he speaks it's as if he and his newly minted team pounded out the entire game plan not more than a day after release. Here's crossing our fingers that a little more modesty, patience and discussion prevails.

Edited August 5, 2006 by demagogue

[ZylonBane]

And if modesty, patience, and discussion don't prevail, the crack Flame Squad stands ready to perform a little housecleaning.

[oDDity]

For god's sake, you're all talking about this released material like it's the lost fucking scriptures of some ancient religion.

Get a grip. The guys who wrote this stuff were not prophets, the secret of eternal happiness does not lie within, it's just a few more missions to play for a game that already has hundreds of missions.

The fact that thse are going to me made by fans and not the original authors, makes them no different from any other FM as far as I'm concerned. The actual premise for the misisons is more or less the same as any other mission.

[Gildoran]

*gasp* BLASPHEMY!

[New Horizon]

For god's sake, you're all talking about this released material like it's the lost fucking scriptures of some ancient religion.

Get a grip. The guys who wrote this stuff were not prophets, the secret of eternal happiness does not lie within, it's just a few more missions to play for a game that already has hundreds of missions.

The fact that thse are going to me made by fans and not the original authors, makes them no different from any other FM as far as I'm concerned. The actual premise for the misisons is more or less the same as any other mission.

 

TAKE IT BACK!!!!!!!!! YOU HEATHEN

[ZylonBane]

Oddity's world is cold, grey, and bleak, isn't it?

 

One wonders if anger (and its lesser cousin, disdain) are the only emotions he's capable of experiencing.

[New Horizon]

Oddity's world is cold, grey, and bleak, isn't it?

 

One wonders if anger (and its lesser cousin, disdain) are the only emotions he's capable of experiencing.

 

It must make sex interesting.

[Darkness_Falls]

For god's sake, you're all talking about this released material like it's the lost fucking scriptures of some ancient religion.

This released material is like finding an LGS Rosetta Stone from which we will be able to decipher an official Thief world previously unknown ...

 

[oDDity]

Previosuly unknown? It's just a couple of extra misisons, no different to the ones already in the game. It's no better than a couple of new FMs.

I'll lay my bet own now that there's nothing innovative about these new half-finshed misisons as opposed to the ones already in T2, just a bit more sneaking around a couple of new buildings.

You can play any FM you haven't tried yet and do that.

It's not like there's a new campaign and story or anything.

[Darkness_Falls]

I was being a bit facetious

 

I think it is awesome that this stuff was released; mainly in knowing it was original LGS stuff. And it would be cool to see the stuff used in a high quality FM. But beyond that, I know it's nothing entirely new (beyond half-constructed missions/buildigns).

[demagogue]

For god's sake, you're all talking about this released material like it's the lost fucking scriptures of some ancient religion.

 

Haha! Well, it is a fan site ... we have to have something to bitch about since that's what fans do, and otherwise things would get boring pretty fast. Yeah maybe it's mostly an act, but what the fuck, why not...

 

At this point, though, my optimism is wavering and probably they will end up being lackluster, forgettable additions to the corpus. But they don't have to be. Just because a genre is an old one doesn't mean fresh stuff can't come around and shake things up on occassion ... this is just one more opportunity to try to get a rise out of people. There are only so many chances you get to do that in a year or so, but it's still in the cards that the chance may be blown.

Edited August 6, 2006 by demagogue

[Darkness_Falls]

I don't know if it got good reviews or not, but I'm playing 'The Circle of Stone and Shadow: Gathering at the Inn' Thief 2 fan mission right now, and rather enjoy it. Suprisingly, I like the voice of the main character that you play, too.

[demagogue]

Yeah, it's a great one, although a little unconventional. It pushed Thief a little in the direction of an adventure game (inventory puzzles), which I liked although not everyone's cup of tea. I also really dug Dante's voice and attitude; he's the most (really only) credible successor to Garrett I've ever come across, IMO.

 

Mission X, its sequel, is near completion and promises to be the next classic on the horizon.

Edited August 6, 2006 by demagogue

[Komag]

I think that these T2G missions won't suck when completed, but I think they may not ever get done. That'll be the sticking point I think, whether these guys will have the heart to continue to work on these missions in a year or two from now.

 

When they just LEAPED at the chance litterally 6 hours from the thread being posted, it doesn't instill confidence of long term staying power. But I hope I'm wrong - I'd love to play a Thief 2 Gold

[Darkness_Falls]

I also really dug Dante's voice and attitude; he's the most (really only) credible successor to Garrett I've ever come across, IMO.

Ditto. Nothing else has even come close to replacing Garrett's voice. People either try too hard to mimic Garrett and fail, or have their own voice that I don't like as it often sounds unprofessional. When I hear Dante, I feel he has a voice-acting career ahead of him if he so desires.

[demagogue]

Do you know that the voice of Dante is our own Saturnine? From the readme:

 

Voice Acting Cast

 

- Dante: Saturnine

 

We don't see him much nowadays, but he does a great job as a voice actor I agree.

[New Horizon]

Looks like the anonymous developer has struck again. This time, all the source files for the Thief 1 and 2 objects have been released.

 

http://ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1487761#post1487761

[Komag]

That's crazy cool! I immediately had the thought ..."SOURCE CODE!!!" and then read your quick question about it as well. Looks like we're out of luck on that one. But I still wonder if there will be any other stuff coming our way...