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Poll: Fan Mission: The Outpost by angua & greebo (2009/10/17) (11 member(s) have cast votes)

Gameplay: Enjoyment. Fun duration. Smooth flow, ect. Versus Bugs. Frustration, Boredom.

  1. Ok (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Good (8 votes [72.73%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 72.73%

  3. Excellent (1 votes [9.09%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  4. Near perferct (2 votes [18.18%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.18%

Appearance: Visual pleasure, lighting, visual style

  1. Ok (2 votes [18.18%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.18%

  2. Good (5 votes [45.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 45.45%

  3. Excellent (3 votes [27.27%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 27.27%

  4. Near perfect (1 votes [9.09%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

Story & Text: Story. Text. Briefing. Graphic storytelling

  1. Ok (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Good (9 votes [81.82%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 81.82%

  3. Excellent (2 votes [18.18%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.18%

  4. Near perfect (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 greebo

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 10:07 AM

You can get this FM on our downloads page: http://www.thedarkmo...ondetails/?id=1

I guess it's a rather easy missions for players used to Thief Fan Missions, but feel free to post here in case you're stuck. Angua and me, we are humbled that this small map made it out of the door, accompanying the TDM 1.00 release.

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#2 Springheel

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 10:09 AM

I think it's also worth mentioning that the vast majority of this mission was completed in a single week. It's a great example of what you can do in a relatively small amount of time with TDM.

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 01:33 PM

I actually liked this mission the most out of the three. Very "classic" in feel, with the top-bottom architecture, a couple alternate routes, and everything believably placed. Oh, and thanks for giving me all those candles in the storeroom to light and play with.

EDIT: Also, I appreciate the "no knockouts" rule on Expert. I know a lot of fans don't like such restrictions, but it was nice to know that I was attempting a challenge that was actually designed instead of imposing my own rules on a mission that might not be well-suited for it.

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#4 Melan

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 01:48 PM

My impression as well. It is actually a very simple level, and could easily be done in Dromed (with less eye candy), but it just works. The interconnectedness was a nice surprise, although I spent a lot of time vainly looking through the rafters to find something hidden. No luck!
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Posted 19 October 2009 - 12:51 AM

This map I feel was well done and the first time I've seen water in a doom 3 mod that looked
impressive, wow is all I can say.
This map reminded me more of the original thief game.

This was well done and a nice suprise.

Great job!

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#6 shadow_ibix

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 05:07 PM

Nice map, fun to play. Apart from the rafters, I searched the coal for diamonds with the lantern for a while :rolleyes:.
Tried to snip off some banners as well, but that does not work. I'm happy to leave the banners, they make the place look pretty.

#7 Oszkár Winkler

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 07:10 AM

Only this FM is too dark on my computer. All the others are fine. Is it possible to increase a mission's overall gamma in Dark Radiant to avoid pitch blackness everywhere?
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Posted 20 October 2009 - 01:18 PM

Only this FM is too dark on my computer. All the others are fine. Is it possible to increase a mission's overall gamma in Dark Radiant to avoid pitch blackness everywhere?


The overall gamma is controlled in settings>video>gamma

In Darkradiant, to increase the overall "darkness" would be to brighten the ambient_world, which is a very low light thats cast throughout the whole map. To brighten it, would make it harder to sneak around (because it would be brighter all around)
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#9 New Horizon

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 01:23 PM

Only this FM is too dark on my computer. All the others are fine. Is it possible to increase a mission's overall gamma in Dark Radiant to avoid pitch blackness everywhere?


Would be better to increase the gamma in the TDM video settings. Ambient light affects the lightgem in TDM, so it can't be too bright without having an impact on gameplay. Although that may end up washing things out and looking horrible, so let us know how that works out.

Whoops, didn't see the previous response.

#10 Ladro

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 08:04 PM

I liked a lot this simple map.

Very good design, simple but with consistency, and a great example of what it's possibile with only 1 week of work with the fantastic new editor.

Thanks you work!

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 10:58 PM

This was a very nice starter map. I'm glad I chose this one to play first. I'm still cringing from the footfall sounds, though. Are there any plans to replace them? I feel like I'm stomping around with steel-tipped boots, and it seems that they are too loud in general. It's the one aspect of the Mod that seems very unrealistic.
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Posted 20 October 2009 - 11:07 PM

This was a very nice starter map. I'm glad I chose this one to play first. I'm still cringing from the footfall sounds, though. Are there any plans to replace them? I feel like I'm stomping around with steel-tipped boots, and it seems that they are too loud in general. It's the one aspect of the Mod that seems very unrealistic.
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We're very happy with the footfall sounds. Goldchocobo came in and created the majority of them for us in his recording studio when we had nothing but 'borrowed' sounds from various sources. The quality of these sounds are second to none.

We're taking the comments about them being too loud into consideration, but the reality is that they need to be reasonably audible for player feedback. What you hear as the player isn't what the AI is hearing. It's a gaming convention, but a necessary one. We'll take reducing the volume into consideration, but likely won't scale them back too much. I can't really say I find them too loud, personally.

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 07:58 AM

What you hear as the player isn't what the AI is hearing. It's a gaming convention, but a necessary one. We'll take reducing the volume into consideration, but likely won't scale them back too much. I can't really say I find them too loud, personally.


I agree, .

IMHO too it's not too loud, and I like a lot the foots sound quality recorded, pretty real.

#14 Oszkár Winkler

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 08:15 AM

My problem is probably the dark textures then. I used the Training Mission to calibrate my brightness and gamma settings and all the maps were fine except the Outpost. Most of it's textures are dark toned. But I still really enjoyed this level, so congratulations! :)
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Posted 21 October 2009 - 08:32 AM

I think we still need to settle on a good default ambient level brightness. Outpost was 5, which I found too low and I think crown of penitence was 8...which is a bit too far in the other direction. 6 or 7 should be a reasonable standard that works across all systems.

#16 greebo

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 09:44 AM

Outpost's ambient has been increased the last minute before release to 6 I think.

On a related note: thanks to Hyeron we now have a French version of The Outpost: voilá L'Avant-Poste. Grab it from our website. :)

#17 DeathStage_12

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 09:58 AM

I should have been more specific in my post about the footfall sounds. The quality of the sounds is outstanding - very professional. Also, most of the footfalls sound very good to me. I only didn't care for the stone material sound. It reminded me too much of the Doom combat boots.
If, as you say, the AI are not hearing them as loud, then it will only be a matter of adjusting my perception.
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#18 Tels

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 04:03 PM

We're very happy with the footfall sounds. Goldchocobo came in and created the majority of them for us in his recording studio when we had nothing but 'borrowed' sounds from various sources. The quality of these sounds are second to none.

We're taking the comments about them being too loud into consideration, but the reality is that they need to be reasonably audible for player feedback. What you hear as the player isn't what the AI is hearing. It's a gaming convention, but a necessary one. We'll take reducing the volume into consideration, but likely won't scale them back too much. I can't really say I find them too loud, personally.


This reminds me of something I wanted to say for a while to the loudness of sounds: There is a difference between playing with headphones (where you hear every sound cristalclear and louder) and playing over (possible tiny) speakers. So, where the sounds tested with both methods? There might well be significant differences in perception of different sounds. Also, (dont have doom here right now and cant test), but is it possible for the user to specify which speakers he has?
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Posted 21 October 2009 - 04:16 PM

I don't doubt that the volume levels of crouch-run-creep-walk-etc. may need revisiting.

My KOSS studio headphones (that I use for recording gigs) tell me very well how sneaky my footsteps are. (CL-OMP, Clack, Tap, Tip-toe)
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Posted 21 October 2009 - 04:32 PM

I don't doubt that the volume levels of crouch-run-creep-walk-etc. may need revisiting.

My KOSS studio headphones (that I use for recording gigs) tell me very well how sneaky my footsteps are. (CL-OMP, Clack, Tap, Tip-toe)


Erm, yes, and what about all the other players that do not have such expensive headphones? (reread my post please :)
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Posted 21 October 2009 - 04:52 PM

I've also got two old Creative speakers....Posted Image
A-a-and some Apple Ipod earbuds. :mellow:
A-a-a-and a Logitech 5.1 surround system. :laugh:

I can make out the different footfalls on all of them very clearly.
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Posted 21 October 2009 - 05:29 PM

Fantastic mission!! :D
I like it a lot, excellent way to restart thieving again after a few years!
I got to exact 942/946 loot, someone must have dropped some coins somewhere!

Anyway i found a very uh spooky bit of possessed water, it seems, and its right next to where you're entering the building!
It seems the little bowls have a sort of "force" interaction that repulses them from eachother. Also they can be suspended above the water, by holding them there and pressing R. I have 4 bowls on the screenshot that just hang there, steadily, doing nothing. :o

But all hell breaks loose when you release a beermug a bit above the water, the water seems to turn into a reactive trampoline, making the mug jump to the ceiling, come down again, jump up again, many times! its freaky :)

Hopefully this effect was completely intended, otherwise something is a bit spooky for sure :rolleyes:

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 02:41 AM

Thanks for the feedback everyone, this is appreciated! :)

Hopefully this effect was completely intended, otherwise something is a bit spooky for sure :rolleyes:

This is why
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No, seriously, this is some kind of physics bug, I think I have already seen something similar in Saint Lucia. Good one though :laugh:

Oh, and could you please continue the player footstep discussion in another thread and keep this one for map-specific feedback? Thanks!

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 12:09 PM

Fun mission, small but I think I almost prefer small missions over really large ones. Alot easier to keep track of everything, especially if you come back later to finish.

I had no issues with ambient, same setting across all 3 missions. But I thought the world ambient light DIDN'T effect light gem. I thought that was the whole point of it was to raise gamma and not effect players.
The textures are dark though so that's probably why this one felt darker, a deffinate change between these and victorian tex for ambiance.

I don't like how the chests were done with the lid frob in this mission though. Seemed harder to grab stuff than the whole chest frob in the other missions. I absolutely could NOT frob the coin stack in the chest with the gold bar. I tried many times, even removving the other items so they wouldn't highlight. Even tried climbing on chest and facing away from the lid. Several minutes and a few loads and could not get them.

The layout was awesome, the chapel and alternate route to 3rd were great.

I played on medium because I thought 'no KO' was gonna be too hard. Turns out I didn't KO anyone, so the AI were done very well IMO. Enough to make it tense, not too many to get around. The patrols were well done too.

I was short 40 gold in the end, not sure if I missed more than that coin stack in the chest.

If it only took a week I expect a sequel next week ;)
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Posted 24 October 2009 - 04:32 PM

A very nice shorter mission. The level is well-designed and makes good use of the available space. Plenty of flavour text hanging around, with nothing seemingly out of place. One point though:

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I think I could probably try to pressure my friends into trying to play TDM using this and I look forwards to trying it pr0 with non-KO. :)

M0ar plz?

Edited by greebo, 24 October 2009 - 04:37 PM.
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