well i would hit the k key and the compass came up, then i would try to use my inventory groups by pressing the - or = key. The compass image got "stuck" for lack of a better word. The inventory groups wouldn't cycle and I couldn't get rid of the compass image or use any inventory items that showed up. I ended up fixing it by using the [ or ] keys to cycle through the inventory that way. So in short to get the problem i pressed k to bring up the compass and then tried to go to my inventory using the - key and it made the inventory area go all crazy like. I did play through again..okay like 5 or 6 times because I really enjoyed it so much and you are right. I wasn't turning far enough away from the ladder to jump. As an aside I ordered Doom 3 just to play this. I came to the Thief world late in the game and think that the work you guys have done with this mod is better than A LOT of commercial products out there. You guys really are what is great about the internet and playing this game has been the only good thing to happen today...seriously my car broke down on the way to a job interview, i rescheduled, had my wife come home from work and drop off the car, sent her back to work, drove an hour to get to the interview and they canceled it, on the way home i got stuck going between 2 and 5mph because they were line painting and almost go pulled over by a cop for legally passing that same truck who was going consistently 10mph under the speed limit...this game is really the best thing to happen to me today. Oh yeah it's my birthday...this pretty much happens every single year. lol hope someone feels better after reading the day i've had... Just a question, would it be possible to create a campaign for TDM? I mean is it even possible, or would you just have to say these group of maps go together? I would be really interested in trying to put one together once my current life gets a bit less hectic, otherwise I will just try and throw some maps together. I don't really know what is needed as far as coding skills to make maps, but I know I won't have too much trouble with any of it and there is a wiki. Dram I was getting between 30 and 40 fps outside and between 40 to 60 inside. For consistency I was getting 35fps average outside and 45 fps inside. Thats with anti-aliasing on to max, 1280x1024 screen resolution and all the other graphic settings ot the max. The game ran very smooth.