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  4. Fan Mission: The Painter’s Wife v1.2 by Fractured Glass Company (2020/07/01)

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    I've figured it out.

    Spoiler

    Turns out the letter I'm looking for doesn't exist; I got all of them and just forgot that I have to read them before they assemble into a stack I can leave on the judge's desk.

    By the way, is the patch for this still in the works? There is still a black box in Marlow's basement, and the coin I reported embedded into geometry is still embedded too.

  6. Thief Gold Campaign: The Black Parade

    in Fan Missions

    Posted · Edited by marbleman

    6 hours ago, chakkman said:

    I just found out that this is by the guy who did level design for Dishonored (for the Flooded District levels, I think?), which raised my interest level from low to very high. :) Never really played FMs on Thief Gold or Thief 2, so, I'll have to check out how it works again...

    Correction: skacky did not work on Dishonored or Dishonored 2.

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  9. View Stealth Score during gameplay?

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    On 2/8/2020 at 6:17 PM, kcghost said:

    I found a new strategy for displaying the stealth stats that some may prefer. The attached addon (just drag into the darkmod folder) overrides the loot inventory gui and associated script.

    tdm_loot_stealth_stats.pk4 6.15 kB · 61 downloads

    Any reason this attachment is no longer available? I thought it was because TDM god updated, but I can confirm this still works on 2.11.

  11. Why there should be restrictions on quicksaves

    in The Dark Mod

    Posted · Edited by marbleman

    53 minutes ago, Xolvix said:

    I'm not sure if this helps when it comes to the topic of quicksaves, but I just wanted to address how limits can sometimes help the player because of how it forces them to get out of their comfort zone and deal with the new problem.

    It does! I can definitely see how a designer might want to try and teach the player something through limitations. Similarly how no-KO restrictions can make one a better ghoster, I can see how no saving can make one better at combat or improvisation.

    Is it always successful? No, and, as seen from this thread, the majority of players would rather avoid such a mission/game altogether.

  12. Why there should be restrictions on quicksaves

    in The Dark Mod

    Posted · Edited by marbleman

    If this thread is in the wrong section, I apologize. If someone can move it, please do. That it would go off-topic and into the discussion of TDM save rooms was somewhat predictable. What I did not expect is an outright hostile reaction. Do I really need to lay it all out? What if I was considering writing an essay on why designers put save restrictions into their games and why some players want to see these restrictions and then try to refute these points? I'm saying "was" because at this point, I don't think that's such a good idea anymore.

  13. Why there should be restrictions on quicksaves

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    Posted · Edited by marbleman

    Well, have you read my initial post, or did you stop at the thread title? I want to understand these reasons and make sure I am not seeing them exclusively through the lens of my own playstyle. Then, I can make better arguments in favor of quicksaving when I need to.

     

    I am not arguing for this change. I am not even talking about save rooms in TDM. I am talking about save restrictions in stealth games in general.

  15. Why there should be restrictions on quicksaves

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    @ChronA Thanks, this is the kind of answer I'm looking for. You are right on the money with your first point: if I could consistently achieve success in my ghost runs, I would never quicksave, and it would indeed feel more satisfying. Unfortunately, the only way to ensure that's possible is to dumb down the gameplay so much that it becomes hard to actually fail, and I don't think that's a good way to do it.

    But the "tension" argument is something that opens my eyes a little. I got a similar answer on TTLG, and I will say, having no option to quicksave does make the first playthrough more engaging. However, this doesn't work on repeat playthroughs, instead making them tedious. So I can see a valid reason other than "screw perfectionists and ghosters": to enhance the first playthrough experience at the expense of replay value. Given that most people only play games/missions once, yeah, I can see the merits of that.

    Though, even in this case, I don't think it works flawlessly because this approach pretty much guarantees that the player will fail at some point. Stealth heavily relies on trial and error, and it is unreasonable to expect the player to get everything right on their first try even in a piss-easy game.

    Good discussion this. I don't know if I'm making the right conclusions but at least I can see an alternate point of view better now.

  16. Why there should be restrictions on quicksaves

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    😅

    I ask what reasons for disallowing quicksaves there are, yet half the replies are that they should be allowed.

    Guys, I know. I am of this opinion myself. I also love my freedom of saving.

    Here's the thing: my playstyle is very niche. I am not satisfied with the mission/game unless I get through it undetected. If I get spotted, I could roll with the mistake, sure, but I am no longer satisfied with the run and would rather reload, or, in the case of save restrictions, restart that entire section of the game.

    So whenever I come across save restrictions, it seems like they are meant to either prevent my playstyle or just make it tedious, requiring me to practice the same thing over and over until I get it right. This is what I meant when I said that I feel like I'm biased here. Surely there are other reasons for these limitations, it's not just to mess with perfectionists, right?

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  18. Why there should be restrictions on quicksaves

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    Posted · Edited by marbleman

    I'm aware of those threads. I took part in some of those discussions. This is one of the reasons I created this thread: I only want to hear one, specific side of the argument. This is not about how to restrict saves or best implement these restrictions. I just want to hear what, in general, the ability to quicksave takes away from stealth games (all of them, not just TDM). Sorry if it seems redundant.

  19. Why there should be restrictions on quicksaves

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    Hey all,

    I'm doing a bit of research on save restrictions in stealth games, and I'd like to hear your opinions on the matter.

    Basically, the topic of save restrictions has been gaining prominence lately, and some stealth games, including TDM, are starting to adopt this in some form. The explanation I always see in favor of it is, "It's just too easy to reload when you get caught!" which makes me think that the entire reason behind it is to inhibit the ghosting playstyle. However, I can't help but think I'm biased here because ghosting is my preferred playstyle. Thus, I want to ask: what other reasons are there for save restrictions?

    Note that I'm not looking for reasons that quicksaves should be allowed. I don't want this to turn into a debate thread, I just want to see and understand all possible reasons against quicksaving.

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  23. Fan Mission: Noble Affairs by Goldwell 2022/02/22 [TDM 2.10 Required]

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    On 6/18/2022 at 11:19 PM, Obsttorte said:

    I overall like the approach you are taking and trying to find some means for the loot to acquire by the usage of the shop.

    One thing I really appreciated about the mission is that while there is a shop, and items from it can certainly be helpful, you're not required to buy anything. A rope arrow is a good example: if you want one as soon as possible, you can buy it in the shop. But if you want to finish the mission with all loot, you can still get one later.

  24. Add option to "toggle crouch" on key press

    in I want to Help

    Posted · Edited by marbleman

    I never had an issue with how crouching works. I did notice the peculiarity of being able to crouch on ropes and ladders, but I just assumed it is one of TDM's quirks and rolled with it. I'd actually hate to see it gone as climbing a ladder normally makes noise and can alert guards, and crouch-climbing is the surest way to avoid that.

    That said, being able to jump on a ladder to climb it faster does feel like an exploit. 😁

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