Ok then, it's a date. I'm having problems with my internet connection ATM, and can only access from various friends computers, so don't despair if you don't hear from me in a while) I love your work on the main thief DeepOmega, very (n)ice. Having such great concept art really helps, huh? With Nightblade I'm just having to do all my own concepts, and they're quite derivitive and hackneyed for the most part.. If you could snag K^2 from the ion boards, it would be nice, he's knows a lot about scripting, writing shaders, plugins and all sorts of programing goodness. Pester him about it. He's also a great Thief fan. He and I are also involved in another mod for the forthcoming Halflife 2. I'm PM you his email Fingernail. edit: I have doom3 (shit game) but what other tools do I need? Have they released an SDK yet?