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Played through the training mission with it, it is ok, not great. Does nothing as far as making the controls more intuitive - things like requiring a double click to drop a body doesn’t make much sense to me at all. “Consistent” does not mean it feels intuitive or natural. It really does not feel that natural imo to be double clicking the right mouse button in general - can’t think of many examples of this. Maybe I need to work on my core middle finger strength as it actually felt a bit fatigued putting this through the paces (probably not representative of typical use in game). Registration seemed mostly good - sometimes I would double click to drop a body or extinguish a candle but still be holding it - I am guessing that is the result of just accidentally registering a third input. Since candles are still picked up on double click, this is maybe a little better but not ideal solution for ghosters who don’t like to pick up or move objects at all - doesn’t describe me but I know from the missions I have worked on there are at lots players who have adopted this play style. All in all “long press” clicked (get it) for me personally as far as how it feels to use. I guess in the end they both are ways to make certain clunky and unintuitive actions in the game faster for existing players.

Ambient atmospheres are in my opinion one of the best parts of the Dark Mod experience, not just for getting a mission to have the right feel but also for inspiration and to have them playing in the background when creating maps. The more the merrier, so here's a thread to collect all the links to ambient music and environmental sounds that could have a spot in TDM's setting. Ambients from the TDM forums Gast's Eerie Lullabies Magnanimous Merry's Miscellanea Orbweaver's Dark Ambients Spadey's Ambients Radioteque's Ambients Kyyrma's Composing Ambient Tracks for Dummies - Kyyrma shows how ambient soundtracks can be made from a set of sounds. Also contains some of his finished ambients. Request for more interior sounds - this thread is a very productive community session where members came up with a large and good selection of new ambients. Uncle Peti's Sound Den Dragofer's Ambients - post #6 in this thread SeriousToni's Ambients - posts #8, 12, 15 and 19 in this thread Ambients from the TTLG forums Custom resources list Gigagooga's Ambients 1 - possibly the largest pack of ambient musics and nature sounds, all of them high quality. Gigagooga's Ambients 2 - this pack puts more weight on shorter swells/hits/pads to be layered on top of a subtle ambient. Gigagooga's Ambients 3 Yandros' ambient loop Sephy's Ambients - a large collection of ambient pieces, including many shorter ones which will be valuable for anyone wanting to try a layered ambience approach like in the Thief OMs and Full Moon Fever. Internet databases www.freesound.org - some of the better composers in my opinion are ERH and BrandonNyte. www.purple-planet.com - a large selection of all kinds of ambient and musical soundtracks to be used freely. www.darkwinter.com - an internet label that publishes a lot of dark ambient music under a Creative Commons license. www.endlessascent.com - sister website of Darkwinter for non-dark ambients. Youtube Asatru Dark - also has very nice reference images for outdoor stone memorials, statue arrangements etc. #4 Void by Raffaele du Marteau & #6 Dreaming of Nowhere by Raffaele du Marteau - possibly the most forlorn pieces I've found on the internet. Alacazam - a prolific Creative Commons ambients composer . Cryo Chamber - for-profit label for dark ambient music with a large selection on offer. Going by their Youtube comments they're fine with people using their soundtracks for games etc., although you'd probably need to buy the soundtracks first. Dark Ambient Mixed Session - as much ambient as something to have in the background while mapping.

So, if I understand you, no Thief Gold FM does sound and text notifications of completed objectives? The missions in The Black Parade surely did. I'm completely confused now. I was sure that original Thief Gold had those objective complete notifications (at least the sound). Reading this thread suggests otherwise though: https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132977

DarkRadiant 3.8.0 is ready for download. What's new: Feature: Support new frob-related material keywords Improvement: Mission selection list in Game setup is not alphabetically sorted Improvement: Better distinction between inherited and regular spawnargs Improvement: Silence sound shader button Improvement: Add Reload Definitions button to Model Chooser Fixed: Model Selector widgets are cut off and flicker constantly on Linux Fixed: DarkRadiant will not start without Dark Mod plugins Fixed: GenericEntityNode not calculating the direction correctly with "editor_rotatable" Fixed: RenderableArrow not drawing the tip correctly for arbitrary rotations Fixed: Light Inspector crashes on Linux Fixed: Models glitch out when filtering then showing them Fixed: Skin Editor: models not centered well in preview Fixed: "Copy Resource Path" includes top level folders Fixed: Skin Editor: internal test skins are shown if Material Editor was open previously Fixed: Changing Game/Project doesn't update loaded assets correctly Fixed: Model Chooser: initially hidden materials aren't revealed when enabling them Fixed: Choosing AI entity class 'atdm:townsfolk_commoner_update' causes crash Fixed: Sporadic assertion failure on shutdown due to LocalBitmapArtProvider destruction Fixed: Prefab Selector spams infinite error dialogs on Linux Windows and Mac Downloads are available on Github: https://github.com/codereader/DarkRadiant/releases/tag/3.8.0 and of course linked from the website https://www.darkradiant.net Thanks to all the awesome people who keep using DarkRadiant to create Fan Missions - they are the main reason for me to keep going. Please report any bugs or feature requests here in these forums, following these guidelines: Bugs (including steps for reproduction) can go directly on the tracker. When unsure about a bug/issue, feel free to ask. If you run into a crash, please record a crashdump: Crashdump Instructions Feature requests should be suggested (and possibly discussed) here in these forums before they may be added to the tracker. The list of changes can be found on the our bugtracker changelog. Keep on mapping!

Again anyone who has ever used a controller is used to holding buttons to get different input and it is already supported by the TDM controller config. So I guess I am just used to doing this already from playing the game from time to time on a steam deck. If indicating the state change to players is an issue then maybe the existing frob helper could be change size/shape/color or something when a “long press” is achieved. That way players who do need the indicator can turn it off via the existing frob helper settings.

It’s incredibly common in controller mapping - to the point even the game’s current controller implementation supports it. Not sure if switching this to a double click is additive or subtractive. What is getting lost is the primary interaction with a body imo is actually to shoulder it - not drag it. Obfuscating this behind a second input is clunky and confusing to new players. What is “intuitive” is a matter of perspective, but the current patched method of the initial click shouldering a body makes a lot more sense to me and actually addresses some of the complaints from new players as laid out in the initial post. There is a method via the delay cvar for experienced players who prefer the old system to restore it, so I am uncertain what the down side is really?

Greetings everyone! I recently got into TDM and am already having a lot of fun playing through and ghosting missions. However, coming from Thief, I am mostly relying on the rules and my experience with that game, while there are clearly differences in how TDM works. Right now, there is talk in the ghosting discussion thread on TTLG to amend the ruleset and include clarifications pertaining to TDM. So I wanted to drop by and ask: is there an active TDM ghosting community already and have any rules for this playstyle been developed? I would also like to ask someone to take a look at the draft of this addendum to see whether everything looks correct: https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148487&page=16&p=2473352&viewfull=1#post2473352 Thanks!

A Problem Arises I've paused subtitling of the Lady02 vocal set, because of a problem with the voice clips described here: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/21741-subtitles-possibilities-beyond-211/&do=findComment&comment=490151 While a way forward is being determined, I'll work on a different vocal set. Maybe manbeast, for which Kingsal just provided me the voice script.

I think personally I prefer this to requiring another input to stop dragging - at least in the usual loop of shouldering a body to move it roughly where it needs to go and then using manipulate to tuck it in. The click and release made it very quick to move individual limbs. But yeah like lots of these types of things a "toggle" mode should be an option

Unlike Thief, The Dark Mod allows you to interact with things like doors/switches when you are shouldering a body. So there needs to be an input to do this, so I see why this is preserved. Playing the patch I do agree my thief muscle memory kicked in almost immediately and I kept expecting frob to the drop the body. Not sure what a good solution is in this case. Dropping a body is the primary action when shouldering it, so maybe it should be inverted (frob drops body, "use-item" allows world interaction when carrying body) Not sure if this will also be confusing.

I don't really see a reason this would be an issue in SLL. It be nice to see the feature in a dev build so more players (like me) can test it. Sort of like how we did testing with the frob highlight. I also don't see a reason why there would be a compatibility issue either. Leveraging this sort of short press/long press for different commands on the same input already exists for gamepads in the TDM controller config. As daft says in his post if the delay CVAR is set to 0, then there is no delay for the additional command and the original behavior for all the interactions is restored. But again it’d be nice to try it.

Black Parade is released ! https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152429

Of course, it is one of the reasons for the decline of online forums, since the advent of mobile phones. Forums on a mobile are a pain in the ass, but on the other hand, for certain things there are no real alternatives to forums, social networks cannot be with their sequential threads, where it is almost impossible to retrieve answers to a question that is asked. has done days ago. For devs for internal communication, the only thing offered is a collaborative app, such as System D (not to be confused with systemd). FOSS, free and anonymous registration, access further members only by invitation, full encrypted and private. https://www.system-d.org

Body awareness please. https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/20013-are-you-gonna-add-this/

I loved it. Awesome game. I faceplanted at the people who asked for quest markers in the Steam forums there... Herr, lass Hirn regnen. The game is so great, and so true to the original, because it doesn't hold your hand. When is the new breed of gamers gonna learn.

To replicate: Save before opening the diary, because succeeding will soft-lock you. When diary is open, you have to input this sequence in an extremely short period of time (almost at the same time): First "Next Inv. Item", and then "Use Inv. Item" In my case: Mouse scroll down, and then F. --- This might take a while. Probably easier when not both keys are mapped on mouse, but one separately on keyboard? Maybe this happens for people who have set "Use Inv. Item" to right mouse. I'm pretty sure that was the case for me when the bug triggered by accident. And my finger is often found twitching on RMB. --- Alternate outcome that sometimes happened: Diary became unwilling to open at all even though the green item backlight triggered. It is possible that this happened because I cycled items instead of turning pages, because I timed the inputs wrong. Hope it helps.

Binding a key solves the "scroll forever" problem in that you can quickly bring up the Stats once you've finished whatever it is you're doing (ex picking locks). The Compass already has a keybind , BUT it shows up in the "inventory slot" which means it keeps disappearing when you need to access some other item. Back to the Lantern. It's part of the inventory, BUT it doesn't show up in the scroll list, (or inventory slot or whatever the list in the bottom right hand corner is called) which is the way it should be. You turn on the Lantern and it remains on until you turn it off. Meanwhile, the scroll list isn't affected. Why can't that work with the Compass or the Stats. Maybe that's a "Hud" issue which probably means the fix is too involved or difficult to bother with. Still.....it would be nice not to have to constantly toggle these things every 5 mins. Remember, when you're picking a particularly difficult lock, it's nice to be able to glance at the stats to see if you're raising suspicions. Thanks Daft Mugi for your input.

The electronic keypad is something I've wanted for a long time, along with laser tripped alarms which are next on my TODO list. I'm happy to announce they're a feature I just finished as part of a futuristic campaign I began working on! The version included here is extracted into an individual pk4 for other mappers to use. I may improve mine over time like using a GUI for the screen, for now this is a simple but finished version which does exactly everything intended. It consists of the custom script and def, models created and exported from DR reusing existing sounds and textures (only text labels had to be created), as well as prefabs for model sources and quickly placing a keypad on your map (broken or unpowered versions included). The device is operated using 12 buttons forming a numeric keypad inspired by old mobile phones, stand close look at each key and frob to input: Give your keypad a "text" spawnarg to set a password (multiple codes supported), entities targeted via "trigger_on_success" will execute when the correct code was typed, you may also set "trigger_on_fail" spawnargs to trigger targets when a bad code was written. Existing input can be cancelled with * and must be confirmed using the # key at the end, once unlocked pressing any key will re-trigger targets and lock the device back up. One aspect I'm unhappy with: I couldn't find a way for the script to directly access the entity triggering it. Because of this I had to define an additional "atdm:target_callobjectfunction" targeted by buttons which itself targets the keypad. This is only an annoyance for sanity's sake as I hoped I'd only need the keypad entity and individual buttons, yet there's also a little yellow cube sticking around which every button has to go through. Let me know if you're aware of a way to work around this; I know the script can use sys.onSignal(SIG_TRIGGER, self, "foo::bar") to run a function when triggered, but there doesn't seem to be a way to access the entity doing the triggering which is required to know which button was pressed and get its symbol. Here's the initial version with a few screenshots of how it looks and works. Feel free to use them in your FM's and share the result here! I'd love to see missions where you need to find codes in readables and remember them to access places, even having to piece them together from different sources... remember you can also use short passwords which are typed like an SMS hence the letters on the keys, for example "abe" would be "11122" (a = 1, b = 11, e = 22) 0 acts as space though I wouldn't write long sentences as they can be annoying to type in. electronic_keypad_v1.0.pk4

Thanks for the feedback! I'm in the process of fixing remaining issues and missing features. Since you expressed wanting to use it I'll be making and including rustic skins as well for the next version. The sound is the keypad going into input mode, it can be disabled via spawnarg if you want. As for a screen showing the player's input, that would require a GUI setup, doable but would require massive changes I didn't have planned so I hope it's alright if I skip that... in my campaign I'll be justifying it as a security feature, someone standing behind you can't see the code you typed in nor the number of digits, you have to know the full sequence then confirm manually. Here's what I have so far skin wise, let me know how you think it looks. Remember you can use unlit skins if you don't want glowing numbers but rather have them painted, this is just the default configuration: Once I post the update I'll also provide a better description of how to set the spawnargs for the result you want, maybe default some of it in the prefab.

So giving it none of those tags, but making the AI invisible, silent, non-solid, and on a team neutral to everyone would not work? Oh well, it was a horrible inelegant idea anyway.

Of course. I forgot about these. Here. Calling stod() with "TextureTool" throws an exception. #0 0x00007ffff66a5f91 in __cxxabiv1::__cxa_throw(void*, std::type_info*, void (*)(void*)) (obj=0x55555aedcef0, tinfo=0x7ffff6829198 <typeinfo for std::invalid_argument>, dest=0x7ffff66bd690 <std::invalid_argument::~invalid_argument()>) at /usr/src/debug/gcc/libstdc++-v3/libsupc++/eh_throw.cc:81 #1 0x00007ffff669c471 in std::__throw_invalid_argument(char const*) (__s=__s@entry=0x7fffebd70578 "stod") at /usr/src/debug/gcc/libstdc++-v3/src/c++11/functexcept.cc:78 #2 0x000055555571a247 in __gnu_cxx::__stoa<double, double, char>(double (*)(char const*, char**), char const*, char const*, unsigned long*) (__convf=0x7ffff6459470 <strtof64>, __name=0x7fffebd70578 "stod", __str=0x7fffffffc5c0 "TextureTool", __idx=0x0) at /usr/include/c++/12.2.0/ext/string_conversions.h:83 #3 0x00007fffeb917bee in std::__cxx11::stod(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, unsigned long*) (__idx=0x0, __str=<optimized out>) at /usr/include/c++/12.2.0/bits/basic_string.h:4002 #4 string::convert<double, std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > >(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, double) (str="TextureTool", defaultVal=0) at /home/sebastian/.packages/darkradiant-debug-git/src/DarkRadiant/libs/string/convert.h:36 #5 cmd::Argument::Argument(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&) (this=0x7fffffffc610, str="TextureTool") at /home/sebastian/.packages/darkradiant-debug-git/src/DarkRadiant/include/icommandsystem.h:58 #6 0x00007fffeb915a37 in cmd::parseCommandString(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&) (input=<optimized out>) at /home/sebastian/.packages/darkradiant-debug-git/src/DarkRadiant/radiantcore/commandsystem/CommandSystem.cpp:322 #7 0x00007fffeb915dcd in cmd::CommandSystem::execute(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&) (this=0x555556394990, input=<optimized out>) at /home/sebastian/.packages/darkradiant-debug-git/src/DarkRadiant/radiantcore/commandsystem/CommandSystem.cpp:360 #8 0x00007fffeb9125cb in cmd::CommandSystem::executeCommand(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::vector<cmd::Argument, std::allocator<cmd::Argument> > const&) (this=0x555556394990, name="ToggleTextureTool", args=std::vector of length 0, capacity 0) at /home/sebastian/.packages/darkradiant-debug-git/src/DarkRadiant/radiantcore/commandsystem/CommandSystem.cpp:382 #9 0x00007fffeb915df3 in cmd::CommandSystem::execute(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&) (this=0x555556394990, input=<optimized out>) at /home/sebastian/.packages/darkradiant-debug-git/src/DarkRadiant/radiantcore/commandsystem/CommandSystem.cpp:365 #10 0x00005555556e7d62 in ui::EventManager::handleKeyEvent(wxKeyEvent&) (this=<optimized out>, keyEvent=...) at /home/sebastian/.packages/darkradiant-debug-git/src/DarkRadiant/radiant/eventmanager/EventManager.cpp:683 #11 0x000055555570615e in ui::GlobalKeyEventFilter::handleAccelerator(wxKeyEvent&) (this=this@entry=0x555556c194a0, keyEvent=...) at /home/sebastian/.packages/darkradiant-debug-git/src/DarkRadiant/radiant/eventmanager/GlobalKeyEventFilter.cpp:166 #12 0x00005555557061c2 in ui::GlobalKeyEventFilter::FilterEvent(wxEvent&) (event=..., this=0x555556c194a0) at /home/sebastian/.packages/darkradiant-debug-git/src/DarkRadiant/radiant/eventmanager/GlobalKeyEventFilter.cpp:85 #13 ui::GlobalKeyEventFilter::FilterEvent(wxEvent&) (this=0x555556c194a0, event=...) at /home/sebastian/.packages/darkradiant-debug-git/src/DarkRadiant/radiant/eventmanager/GlobalKeyEventFilter.cpp:66 #14 0x00007ffff79862ad in wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) () at /usr/lib/libwx_baseu-3.2.so.0 #15 0x00007ffff7986cdb in wxEvtHandler::SafelyProcessEvent(wxEvent&) () at /usr/lib/libwx_baseu-3.2.so.0

Horror themed fan mission - exploration of seemingly deserted keep in the middle of swamps. Spiders, undead, darkness. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the story about the fate of my family. My uncle, Ralph Mac Roberts, is the baron of a keep nestled deep within the Rahenaen marshes. It was once an important outpost tasked with guarding one of the few Builder roads that cross the marsh, but after the Inventor`s Guild built a system of nearby dams that flooded the whole land, the road closed and there was no longer anything to watch over anymore. The keep itself needed reinforcement against the raising water level and the trade routes become almost impassable, not only for the carriages but for lone couriers as well. There hadn`t been any messages coming from the keep for over a year and my father was about to assemble a caravan so he could go on an expedition to the keep himself. However, in the middle of the night before he was set to leave, a carrier pigeon landed on his windowsill. My father received the letter and read the apologies from my uncle and his family, excusing their long absence. As a way to make reparations for their extended silence, my uncle invited me to the keep to stay there for a fortnight or so. My uncle had instructed me to leave my horse three leagues away from the keep by the nearest charcoal burning hut and hike the remainder of the road on foot, as the trek through the marsh is treacherous for horses. The weather will be awful this time of year, but my father insists that I should go anyways to ensure that our relatives are okay. These plains become dreadfully deserted - to the point where you more expect to meet the dead than the living. And by the way - I think I`m lost. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Download link: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aj1DVS465udZgVkXteBbr6cUxdPH Thanks: to the TDM team for great tools, and all the contributors for their assets, to betatesters: Amadeus, Bienie, Boiler's_hiss, Dragofer, Filizitas, Judith, nbohr1more, s.urfer, again to Amadeus for proofreading and text tweaks, and to all the players for their time! Few screenshots: http://forums.thedarkmod.com/topic/10003-so-what-are-you-working-on-right-now/?p=434716 http://forums.thedarkmod.com/topic/10003-so-what-are-you-working-on-right-now/?p=429558 http://forums.thedarkmod.com/topic/19886-fm-marsh-of-rahena-beta-testing/?p=434507 Enjoy! Walk-through !major spoilers! Finding a way across the marsh area: Getting inside: Bed objective: Light sources: Maps: Enemies: Room objective: Hut objective: Sealed objective: Gold: Key: Bodies:

Public release v1.7.6 (with Dark Mod support) is out. Improvements since the final beta 14 are: Fixed a few remaining bugs with zip/pk4 support. Game Versions window now properly displays TDM version. Import window no longer has a vestigial off-screen TDM field (because TDM doesn't need or support importing). Web search option is now disabled if an unknown/unsupported FM is selected. If an FM with an unknown or unsupported game type is selected, the messages in the tab area now no longer refer to Thief 3 ("Mod management is not supported for Thief: Deadly Shadows"). The full changelog can be viewed at the release link. The de facto official AngelLoader thread is here: https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149706 Bug reports, feature requests etc. are usually posted there. I'll continue following this thread though. Thanks everyone and enjoy!

Thanks for the input, I have updated the material file based on that. It still isn't working, but it didn't make it worse anyway:)