Blackjack Anims

[sparhawk]

I think Ishtvan update them. So you should remove them fro your disk and then make an update.

[New Horizon]

Will do.

[oDDity]

Maybe it's because the blackjack anims and the bow anims have the same names but are in different folders?

I didn't want to change the names from the grenade anim names that were being used incase it messed up the scripts or something else.

[New Horizon]

Nah, I think it's likely because I had the files in my folder, for testing purposes, and neglected to remove them before I did an update with CVS. I'll just have to clear them out and let cvs update them again.

[sparhawk]

Maybe it's because the blackjack anims and the bow anims have the same names but are in different folders?

CVS maintains the same directory structure as the project. Thus, if there is no conflict in the project, CVS also has no issues.

[Ishtvan]

Yeah I updated the bow & arrow animations from oDDity's .zip, as of when that thread in Info&Announcements was posted. There was one weird thing with them, CVS kept wanting to recognize one of the broadhead textures as a text file, when it clearly was not, so I had to manually override it to upload binary.

[New Horizon]

It's all working fine for me now. Just removed them from my darkmod folder and updated again.

[Domarius]

Just saw your post there oDDity - the script and def files aren't really cleaned up, and some of the variable names are still using the same names as the original weapons - for example, arrow_FUSE should be arrow_tiredtime or something.

 

All I did was get it working, optimisation is the last step. But now that everyone seems to be happy with it and ready to tweak things, I'm more than happy to clean it up.

 

(I just wish CVS upload would work for me, it would make this whole bloody thing easier)

[New Horizon]

Ahhh, that would be great Dom. I already tweaked the tired time to be bang on with Thief 1 and 2. It settles in nicely at 12 seconds. Seems to be much longer in Thief 3 for some reason. Guess they were trying to make it easier on the player.

[sparhawk]

Fixing up variable names is NOT cleaning up. This is rather important for maintenance, so please consider this with the same priority as the task itself before doing the next thing.

[sparhawk]

Just saw the animation for the blackjack. Really nice. But the model is not that great. It looks quite small and as if our Thief is holding a masked banana. Also the strike is much to slow. How can this be speed up?

[oDDity]

IF anything, it's too big, this isit in comparison wit the player arm. It's much bigger than the T1, 2 or 3 BJs. It's about the size of his forearm.

THe strike is also fast enough IMO, it's just a blur as it is. Anyone else think it needs speeded up?

Edited February 4, 2005 by oDDity

[oDDity]

I think it's the best BJ ever seen in a thief game by a mile. WHo else thinks it's rubbish?

[pakmannen]

The blackjack looks fine, it's just a little too big. The animation looks pretty stiff in my opinion. The arm seems very straight and just goes up and then down. (Like it did in the thief games, I know, but at least the arm bent somewhat there, right?).

[god_is_my_goldfish]

I think it's the best BJ ever seen in a thief game by a mile. WHo else thinks it's rubbish?

Rubbish

 

No honestly that looks excellent.

[New Horizon]

Yeah, it looks really good. I had to crank the gamma up in photoshop but it looks great. Like you said though, a little on the large side.

[oDDity]

IT doesn't look large in-game though. Spar even thinks it look too small.

[sparhawk]

IF anything, it's too big, this isit in comparison wit the player arm. It's much bigger than the T1, 2 or 3 BJs. It's about the size of his forearm.

THe strike is also fast enough IMO, it's just a blur as it is. Anyone else think it needs speeded up?

I don't know at which resoltuion you play, maybe that is a factor as well. But it looks rather short to me. As I said, when I look at the screen it feels as if Thief holds a banana and the speed looks as if he is trying to caress instead of giving a whack. Maybe this is a bit overemphasized but similar enough. Don't know where you get that blur from.

 

And I never said it looks like rubbish.

[Ishtvan]

Maybe the size is a perspective thing? To me it looks fine. I kind've wish we could see a little more of it when it's in the idle state though, ie, if the hand + BJ were raised up a bit more into the FOV, just to get more of that "holding bj" feeling. I know that's probably not realistic though as you wouldn't be holding it right in front of your face.

 

The speed on the down-swing seems fine. Perhaps the part that is a bit slow is the initial raising it up, which is why the speed from single-clicking to raise it and bring it down (without holding it up) may seem slow.

[New Horizon]

Maybe the size is a perspective thing? To me it looks fine. I kind've wish we could see a little more of it when it's in the idle state though, ie, if the hand + BJ were raised up a bit more into the FOV, just to get more of that "holding bj" feeling. I know that's probably not realistic though as you wouldn't be holding it right in front of your face.

 

The speed on the down-swing seems fine. Perhaps the part that is a bit slow is the initial raising it up, which is why the speed from single-clicking to raise it and bring it down (without holding it up) may seem slow.

I found there was a bit of a lag when trying to put away or equip the blackjack...but for the first version it's great. Tweaking can be done a bit later.

[oDDity]

So now we have every opinion from 'it's too big', to 'it's too small' to 'it's just the right size'

It's nice to have some clarity on the subject - at least now I know where I stand.

[sparhawk]

Glad to be of assistance. But I thought I check T2 and see how long it takes there.

[Fingernail]

I think you should leave a bent arm in view (olol ghey), to show that it is being held back and didn't just disappear. Also the player might...forget that he's holding the BJ up...it would just look better, OK?

[Springheel]

I think the model looks pretty sweet. Haven't tested the animation yet.

 

edit: Ok, I've had a chance to look at the animation. I think the swing speed is fine. The overall size of the blackjack looked ok to me. The bj model didn't appear to have any texture in mine...it was solid black. One thing that did look a little off is that the grip of the bj seemed quite thick (odd, because it doesn't look that way in the still shot above). It looked like the hand couldn't even grasp all the way around it, when normally a bj handle would be about the same thickness as a sword-grip. Other than that the size didn't both me. I definitely didn't think it was too large.

 

I could see Ish's point about wanting to see more of the bj in the idle state. I had the same feeling, although I know an argument can be made that we should block as little of the screen as possible.

[Domarius]

Fixing up variable names is NOT cleaning up. This is rather important for maintenance, so please consider this with the same priority as the task itself before doing the next thing.

It's okay, I know. I had 2 years formal education in OOP. I'd never intend someone else to be able to make sense of what's in those files.

 

But I have been moving on to other things such as the rope arrow, because waiting a day or more for feedback on little things like arrow timing is a waste of time, when I could be doing other things.