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yeah,but linux and mac fairly sucks

 

Being someone who uses Mac, Linux and Windows quite regularly in my daily life...I think that I can fairly state that Linux and Mac do not suck. That may be your personal opinion, but I've used all 3 for years and they're all great operating systems in their own way. What does suck, however, is the complete lack of developer support for games on those two platforms. Microsoft has driven many developers away from OpenGl support...with the exception of id software thank goodness.

 

When it comes right down to it, my preference out of the 3 operating systems is Ubuntu Linux.

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Being someone who uses Mac, Linux and Windows quite regularly in my daily life...I think that I can fairly state that Linux and Mac do not suck. That may be your personal opinion, but I've used all 3 for years and they're all great operating systems in their own way. What does suck, however, is the complete lack of developer support for games on those two platforms. Microsoft has driven many developers away from OpenGl support...with the exception of id software thank goodness.

 

When it comes right down to it, my preference out of the 3 operating systems is Ubuntu Linux.

everything is Windows oriented.Also linux have not comfortable interface for a newbie user

 

but yeah,linux have one little advantage for some kind of people.

 

 

 

Proceed with caution!

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Yes and yeah it does because it has the little advantage for some people of a certain bent shall we say that it seems to cater to their particular peculiarities in such a way as to be appealing to them on a rather esoteric and arcane level in that way that it does for those that operate "like that" them that do we are agreed you and I.

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Yes and yeah it does because it has the little advantage for some people of a certain bent shall we say that it seems to cater to their particular peculiarities in such a way as to be appealing to them on a rather esoteric and arcane level in that way that it does for those that operate "like that" them that do we are agreed you and I.

 

it sounds like mindfuck

 

 

 

Proceed with caution!

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Also linux have not comfortable interface for a newbie user

 

Depends on the distribution, but in terms of a familiar user interface Ubuntu and Kubuntu aren't all that different from Windows. Installation is easy with the Ubuntu based distributions.

 

but yeah,linux have one little advantage for some kind of people.

 

It doesn't have much to do with Linux have 'advantages' for me personally, I just really like how well the operating system performs. I like all 3 of the operating systems...I think they're all great. I don't have linux setup on this laptop right now since I did a complete reformat awhile back, but when I did have it installed both Doom 3 and TDM ran much better than they did on windows on this very same computer.

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most of linux soft heaves up 300 megs of different trash behind it

you know,I dont want to offend anyone but linux have a good advantage for nerds who rushing through a million different internet porn-sites.they just dont need anti-virus program

 

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maybe linux performs better,i dont remember

 

anyway,ignore the jerks like me

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most of linux soft heaves up 300 megs of different trash behind it

 

And windows software doesn't leave trash behind? Temporary files on windows can grow up to several gigs. I have had all 3 operating systems installed on this laptop at one time...in terms of overall performance, Linux gave me the best performance of all 3.

 

It's fine if you prefer Windows, I like Windows too...but Ubuntu is my favorite of the 3.

 

maybe linux performs better,i dont remember

 

anyway,ignore the jerks like me

 

When was the last time you tried a Linux distro?

 

When I ran it on my old Athlon XP 3000 desktop, with 2 gigs of ram and a 128mb geforce fx 5200, I easily got an extra 5fps in TDM on linux. The game just ram better because the operating system was lighter on system resources. When I get linux reinstalled, I'll be playing TDM primarily on Linux, I guarantee it.

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Unigine might be a candidate, as it works on Linux and Mac:

 

http://unigine.com/p...eaven/download/

 

 

Ah thanks! I wanted to try the heven benchmark but I always forgot about it. Looks quite nice if you don't move around yourself (like moving too close to the textures)

Ich konnte mich nicht erinnern Teleportation gezaubert zu haben und doch stand ich da... alleine und nackt.

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When it comes to performance I think it is a myth that TDM performs better on Linux. Things like that depend on the graphics driver for the most part, any update can shift your fps a little up or down. While it's at least difficult to make a "fair" comparison between Windows and Linux performance -- who knows what's in those drivers anyway -- I don't think there will be major differences on the same hardware. If so, something is very wrong with the driver.

 

I am on Linux for years now. I am not going to change that anytime soon, but I would not recommend it to everyone -- there are always issues. You can fix them, but the next upgrade will break something else. What is happening in Ubuntu right now -- and this started around the time when they changed the theme and moved the window buttons to the left side -- is basically a redesign of the system. I have no worries about the Ubuntu project doing it but they should have advertised it more clearly. In the last few upgrade cycles they changed from grub to grub2, init got replaced by upstart, HAL by udev, PulseAudio was implemented (in a wrong way at first, what PA-author lennart peottering, who works for red hat, complained about in public, because he got all the hate mails), OSS got thrown out -- so what they do here is changing a running system while I run it. Oh, and I didn't even mention obvious things like the unity desktop . . .

 

When it comes to TDM -- back to the original topic -- I have hopes for future improvements. Even installation on Linux is painful right now: at first you need Doom, which involves running an install script and copying files. Then you need to know how to make a file executable for the TDM updater and launcher. In contrast, the standard way of installing things in Ubuntu is via the quite comfortable software center, choose the app you want and click install. Maybe there will be a darkmod ppa eventually.

 

Further it would be nice to have the sound system working properly from right from the start. When you google it you will find that all the id tech 4 games are causing trouble on linux systems.

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When it comes to performance I think it is a myth that TDM performs better on Linux.

 

It's no myth. I tested and retested. TDM on Linux always outperformed the windows counterpart on the same PC. Regardless of what windows version of the drivers I was using, be it an older version or the newest version...the linux install consistently performed better. Perhaps Ubuntu had less overhead, I don't know. What I do know is that the linux install on that old desktop beat the windows install by a minimum of 5fps...sometimes it actually beat it by a bit more...but when it was running on my windows install rather slowly, let me tell you...that extra 5fps makes a difference. :)

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On a semi related topic, back in 2005 or whatever, doom3 ran pretty badly on linux compared to windows as a result of bad threading iirc, which lead to it running faster on FreeBSD's linux compatibility layer (+linux nvidia driver) than natively. I do notice that doom3 does far more multithreading on my quad than before on a dualcore - I wonder if this is not perhaps some latent hyperthreading support which was forgotten in the sands of time.

 

Oh... this topic has left the rails :/

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I was assuming it doesn't do multithreading at all and this was one of the things to fix after the open source.

 

@NH: I don't doubt your findings. Just saying -- and this is purely academic -- it's comparing apples to oranges. Or more like comparing something in a little black box that could be oranges to something in a very similar box that could be apples. The drivers are closed source. Even when you have the same driver version on both systems it says nothing about what happens internally.

 

Oh... this topic has left the rails :/

I didn't know we had any...

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Unigine might be a candidate, as it works on Linux and Mac:

Unigine is not available for free for non-commercial applications. Moreover, this engine has not been proved as an excellent game engine, because there still no relatively big game projects do exist on it.

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IMHO Linux, better or not, it's at least a freesoftware system.

 

Windows it's proprietary but it's a thing clearead on user, MS sell OSs as proprietary, it' declared and it's focused only on Software, you can use it on *any* HW.

 

The (very big) problem for me it's Apple: they are from years STEALING massive code from opensource world, for free, using BSD license, and closing all to proprietary or usable on their proprietary stuff, that are TOTALLY the same Intel based machine (only overpriced a lot).

Apple now it's no more a computer or technology creator, but only the BIGGEST marketing company in the planet.

They create only massive marketing campaign to make already existent technology, a must have or a status symbol. They are, for me of course it's my opinion, the worse thing on the IT capitalism today, where its most import thing it's comsumerism or create non rational customers.

 

So for me Apple Sucks, as company, not Linux or Osx and Windows.

 

Of course these are my 0,02 :-D

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The (very big) problem for me it's Apple: they are from years STEALING massive code from opensource world, for free, using BSD license, and closing all to proprietary or usable on their proprietary stuff, that are TOTALLY the same Intel based machine (only overpriced a lot).

I dont mean to say Apple is good/great or anything like that, the hardware is average for the most part, the OS is annoying and not to my liking. However your reasons for disliking it are somewhat silly.

The BSD/MIT and other non-restrictive licenses exist for authors and users in a different way from the GPL; It says to a developer : Do you mind people reusing your work? And it asks the user: Are you happy using this software? If you're not feel free to change it in any way you see fit, if you would like to sell it, well that's also up to you.

 

For example, lately I have had a guy ask me for my modifications to a bunch of PIL(Python Imaging Library) modules, they were based on GPL3 and as such I had to go and make sure that all of the changes were correctly licensed and rewrite part of one of the decoders to exclude a secondary license. I put in the effort for nothing really, I was nice to the guy but doing that extra work only cost me time. Considering that I consider most of my work to be BSD/WTFPL it was a bit annoying to have been forced to do that. I could have always denied him and ignored the mail, but how does that help anyone?.

 

Apple also fund a lot of very good development which is returned directly under these licenses. The LLVM is a good example of this - Pretty much all of your graphics drivers are using some part of it, all Adobe's creative software etc. This saves a lot of time, components that can be shared without the risk of retribution or extra work, without the need to find loopholes or elaborate workarounds. CUPS? Well, it's quite nice to print with a simple interface eh? They also use various proxies to contribute upstream which make it tricky to see. Google and even Microsoft do the exact same thing.

 

While this does not mean that your browser, MP3 player and such should be licensed under such a permissive license, it's all in the hands of the authors, the people that without which you as a user would not have the option in the first place. So in the end, it's not stealing at all, the authors have given the companies the rights to resell or keep private modifications.

 

But I guess some people just don't notice how many useless lawsuits the GPL seems to bring along, and then they wonder why companies are so wary of OSS :/

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Shadowhide's original post had a lot of stuff related to the original topic so I didn't want to move it over here as well. The title seemed to sum up his opinion. :)

 

Ah, but that makes it look like it was your title, doesn't it? Didn't think of that. I'll adjust it.

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windows and mac os x suck because they're full of proprietary abstraction layers and convoluted ways to hide configuration

linux sucks because it is a fat-ass monolithic aggregate of inconsistent copy-cat patches

 

there you have your answer!! rolleyes.gif

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As always, it comes down to this:

 

Capitalism and its offspring (its bastard children), Predatory Competition & The Chaos Of The Marketplace, suck...

 

Cooperation & Progressive Innovation will win the day, come the Revolution.

 

Come The Revolution or Come The Backslide To Barbarian Blight.

 

And the fan already stinks of the shit that approaches it...

 

Come The Revolution or Come The Backslide To Barbarian Blight.

 

Get ready. Get oriented. Get up.

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