Thief 4 is trash.

[Melan]

Of course, once we learn of EM's ideas about "the Keepers", we may be sorry they ever used them.

[Lux]

Then in part 2 they can have the Keepers, "take Garrett in" from his lowly beginnings and raise him up to be the epic thief he became years ago.

 

Honestly, for me at least, if they have a good story I'll like the game. I don't like bad game mechanics but if the story is good I will enjoy the game. Like a first person book, the story is always the most important part of a game to me. Everything else I can reserve judgement on if the story can carry you.

 

This is one of the reasons I don't buy in to all the arguments and complaints either, about Thief 1 vs. 2 vs. 3 vs. reboot. Yes tools are nice particularly when you're used to them but one of the sure things in life is change.

 

Lets hope for a good story. Failing that, they've lost me.

[Jonathan1247]

Is there any news on who is doing the music?

I'm hoping for Eric Brosius to return. If he doesn't, I really doubt we'll see Thief reach the same heights as the first three entries.

[New Horizon]

Is there any news on who is doing the music?

I'm hoping for Eric Brosius to return. If he doesn't, I really doubt we'll see Thief reach the same heights as the first three entries.

 

It's not Eric Brosius.

[Jonathan1247]

It's not Eric Brosius.

 

Thought as much.

Edited July 24, 2013 by Jonathan1247

[jtr7]

..............

Edited February 19, 2014 by jtr7

[Vae]

Sadly, his involvement will only be partial, at best.

[Jonathan1247]

Didn't Paul Weir, Adam Alim, and several other Eidos Montreal employees working on Thief quit about a year ago?

[Vae]

Yes...yet, EM might use some of Paul's work, or none at all.

Edited July 25, 2013 by Vae

[Jonathan1247]

That's a damn shame. I wonder what differences they had that made so many choose to leave the studio.

[stumpy]

maybe they didn't like the direction the game was going in,

[Jonathan1247]

maybe they didn't like the direction the game was going in,

Well, I deduced that much. I was just wondering which details they were conflicted about.

[stumpy]

if you walk around normally with your hands in the same position as garrett's in the video you look like an idiot, or a werewolf.

[Sir Taffsalot]

Don't most games do the 'hands in front of you' thing now? The last two games I played were Bioshock and Dishonored. After a while I didn't really notice them. Yeah I would prefer it if there weren't any but if they are like in said games then I assume I'll get use to them too. Its got to be better than been forced in third view and third view alone.

[jtr7]

.................

Edited February 19, 2014 by jtr7

[Jonathan1247]

Aren't the hands in front wielding weapons/magic in those games? Aren't they smaller and lower to the bottom of the screen and not touching the world when not frobbing anything?

 

Good point. In Thief they're always raised. It's a bit distracting, but not game breaking.

[chakkman]

Maybe they modelled the main character after this guy:

 

 

Ok, a bit unlikely...

[Cookie]

Well, after a long time I decided to write here again.

 

After reading through a bunch of gaming news, I found this: http://www.incgamers.com/2013/08/eidos-montreals-new-thief-wont-even-let-you-jump-when-you-want-to

 

Don´t know if it is 100% true, but I guess this would destroy any hopes for a worthy sequel.

[Vae]

Yes Cookie...I'm afraid the horror is true...The dream-killers have decided to create a mockery instead.

[elwing]

At least it is a good new for the dark mod...

[Loa4ever]

I knew it they will limit US to do things... they are taking important things from the thief series I'm not surprised anymore, however, one particular thing that call my attention is this: " (...) We didn’t want you to be the master thief (...)" winch lets me thing I was right Garret now is a simple amateur thief. A shame they are destroying him, Garret is my favorite character of Thief series and when someone destroys a potential character is bad news guys, we don't need to look just at Thief series others are taking the same route.

[Sir Taffsalot]

I gave up on Thi4f a long time ago. For my stealth fix I look towards the Crucible campaign and Tangiers.

[New Horizon]

I knew it they will limit US to do things... they are taking important things from the thief series I'm not surprised anymore, however, one particular thing that call my attention is this: " (...) We didn’t want you to be the master thief (...)" winch lets me thing I was right Garret now is a simple amateur thief. A shame they are destroying him, Garret is my favorite character of Thief series and when someone destroys a potential character is bad news guys, we don't need to look just at Thief series others are taking the same route.

 

You're misunderstanding the quote, they said they took away free form jumping because they don't want the player to be a master thief who falls off of everything, which basically means they are taking away the responsibility of being a 'master' thief from the player and falsely empowering the player by not allowing them to make mistakes. Essentially, you are a master thief because the game forces you to be one, you don't get a choice about it apparently.

 

They're really obsessed with this 'master thief' nonsense. Yes, Garrett is a great Thief, but that doesn't mean he's a master acrobat. He should only be as skilled as the player controlling him.

[Obsttorte]

He should only be as skilled as the player controlling him.

It seems you've missed the quintessence of nowadays games.

[Loa4ever]

You're misunderstanding the quote, they said they took away free form jumping because they don't want the player to be a master thief who falls off of everything, which basically means they are taking away the responsibility of being a 'master' thief from the player and falsely empowering the player by not allowing them to make mistakes. Essentially, you are a master thief because the game forces you to be one, you don't get a choice about it apparently.

 

They're really obsessed with this 'master thief' nonsense. Yes, Garrett is a great Thief, but that doesn't mean he's a master acrobat. He should only be as skilled as the player controlling him.

 

Hey there ,

but if they remove my experience to fall they are removing an action of freedom. If you take off this elements you are limiting the players experience. If the players experience a failure they should learn from it, and that's what makes freedom in games interesting. For playing with a good thief yes that's right we are being forced to play like one, but because some players want to be challenged to the point see consequences of their actions (example here jump).

When I said a 'master thief' I wasn't thinking him of being like AC but like what Garret was, not being seen, not need for killing anyone, doing his missions always in the shadows.

I thank you for this discuss New Horizon good response .

Edited August 12, 2013 by Loa4ever