Since I was bored I played Thief Deadly Shadows again

[chakkman]

What effect does a 3rd person view on ladders have on mobility? Ok, i get that you won't be able to jump off ladders, in fact won't be able to perform any task except for climbing the ladder, but that's more of a limitation the programmers set, and hasn't to do with the ability to see your body, as they chose to go 3rd person on ladders.

Edited January 30, 2014 by chk772

[Springheel]

The point is that it's very difficult to do body awareness well, and going to 3rd person, and/or having scripted animation that take control away from the player, are common ways of implementing it (because other solutions are very difficult to do). My whole point was that body awareness that restricts the freedom of the player is bad, so you can't point to Riddick as an example where this doesn't happen if the game is full of 3rd person scripted animations.

[chakkman]

Right. Actually they didn't need to implement it, but i guess, as you said, it was another way to give you a feeling of more body awareness. What i meant though was rather the first person view. In fact, i didn't remember it switched to 3rd person view when you climb a ladder.

[MurcDusen]

I played Escape from Butcher Bay, and I guess it did a decent job at it since I actually couldn't even remember that it had a visible body. Can't recall 3rd Person sequences neither, but it's been a long time and I didn't enjoy it too much (didn't finish it). And even if, add that and Mirrors Edge to the list and you still don't have many games doing it well. The whole "switching perspectives" thing is a topic on it's own, though closely related I guess, as it's all part of the notion to restrict the players control just for visual effect. If the game mechanics go along with it (see ArmA, Hitman...), well then I don't see a problem. In a game like Thief though, which is about exploration and freedom (the originals were at least) it's just a no-go.

[AluminumHaste]

Mirror's Edge did a pretty good job of body awareness.

 

Yes but the animations don't work from the 3rd person. They were made wrong so they would look right from 1st person.

[lowenz]

Here's a LOT of new fixes

 

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138607

 

Anyone knows if it is possible to disable default "always run" mode?

[chakkman]

It says under optional tweaks:

• Classic speed. (Walk by default, run qualifier)
  

[lowenz]

And where are those taffin' optional tweaks? :|

[chakkman]

I only can guess, because i don't have the latest version installed. The guy wrote in his post though:

The SneakyOptions.ini file is now available for editing

Probably you can change it there.

Edited February 10, 2014 by chk772

[lowenz]

Oh Yes!

The OLD SneakyOptions.ini doesn't have them! The new has much much more entries!

 

So, to all, delete the old one!

Edited February 10, 2014 by lowenz

[chakkman]

I didn't even know the .ini file exists when i installed the SneakyUpgrade... need to check next time i play Thief 3. Btw, can you just copy over the installed SneakyUpgrade with a newer version? Sounds like you did.

[lowenz]

And you lose the new options

 

Uninstall the old version, delete the SneakyUpgrade.ini (it's in public documents), install the new version, launch TDS, configure it and you're ready to taff

Edited February 10, 2014 by lowenz

[chakkman]

Alright, will do so, thanks.

[Dunedain]

So lets hope Thief 4 will be a decent sequel, although it will be a console port...

 

I certainly am more than a little concerned about what the gameplay, mechanics and story of Thief IV will be like (not to mention the extremely irritating absence of Stephen Russell as Garrett...grrr...), but one thing I'm not worried about is the quality of the artwork.

 

Look at these below, wow...that's some of the best Thief artwork ever, the style and mood is right on the money. Hats off to the artists.

 

 

 

[Maijstral]

Nice artwork, nice artwork for a stealth game, but I'm not so sure it's nice artwork for a Thief game. Seems very drab and lacking color to me. No vibrancy.

[AluminumHaste]

That's some amazing Dishonored concept drawings.

[lowenz]

That's some amazing Dishonored concept drawings.

+1

[Dunedain]

Well, they are night scenes. I assume many of the indoor locations will be far more colorful when they are lit up with oil lamps, candles, torches, etc.

[Nacht7]

Well, they are night scenes. I assume many of the indoor locations will be far more colorful when they are lit up with oil lamps, candles, torches, etc.

 

The night scenes in the original still had some vibrancy. The world was coated in deep pools of inky shadow that contrasted well with the well lit interiors.

Everything in the new Thief simply looks grey. The only time it isn't is in some of the more well lit areas. I prefer the shadowy look of the original over this foggy mess.

[jtr7]

.................

Edited February 19, 2014 by jtr7

[Loa4ever]

I like the concept art and dark colors but for a Thief game... not really, need more colors. About the gameplay? Prepare to be a super thie-- I mean godlike player.

[Dunedain]

Yeah, I know what you mean, I wish there were more warmly and invitingly lit windows and things of that sort to contrast with the darkness. Hopefully the in-game experience will reflect that and have some nice vibrant colors. As for the gameplay...well, we shall see. Might be a need to adjust Thief IV with a mod to correct it more towards an authentic Thief experience, as was done with Thief III.

[darkside]

Hey does T3 run on Win7 64 quad core? Info is a little spotty, and it looks like there is a texture pack and wide screen patch floating around too?

[AluminumHaste]

Yeah that's what I'm using

[Deadlove]

Same, that's what I'm using too.