The question is put AI follow us and obey our orders!

[Capela]

I remember in DOOM that was some robots where you follow them, i was thinking if in TDM we could make an AI follow us and obey some orders like stop, follow me, for example... is this possible?

Edited November 8, 2014 by Capela

[Bikerdude]

if it is it would require scripting..? as I dont think we have the code in the Ai for that. Grayman can you confirm?

[grayman]

The SDK would need to provide some method of interacting with the following AI, i.e. looking straight at the AI and then hitting some prescribed keys to make the AI do stuff like stop or follow. Any orders other than that would prolly need scripting support.

[Capela]

Thanks for your feedback. Ok TDM Ai dont have that, but you think its possible with script...can you point me where a start to search?

[grayman]

Search for what?

[Capela]

For my idea....never mind was just an idea.....TDM does not suport this....End

[jaxa]

I think that's a premature statement.

[grayman]

There's existing code to have one AI follow another, but that's all that happens. One follows the other. There's no code for interacting with the player, and no code for the player to give any orders to an AI.

 

This isn't to say that TDM will never have this functionality. It just doesn't have it atm.

[kyyrma]

Can path_corners be created during gameplay through scripts?

 

For a simple follow-AI (for example someone being escorted) you could have something like a custom whistle item in the player's inventory, which when used runs a script that creates a new path_corner (and removes the old one) and assigns that as the target of the NPC being escorted.

[SteveL]

I don't know off-hand whether creating paths on the fly works, but there's an entity target_changetarget that can be used to switch an ai from one predefined path to another.

[Capela]

I don't know off-hand whether creating paths on the fly works, but there's an entity target_changetarget that can be used to switch an ai from one predefined path to another.

 

Thats a start, i realy dont wanna give some complex orders to AI, just a "wait here until im back".. "Folow me".. thats all. But I know its a complex thing to do, even if it seems so simple. I was think a script like an elevator..you click on button he goes from A..to..C and the B could stop the elevator any time you whant, get back and click again on A so it will move again to C. Well im in the begining of my mission, i will have alot of time to make some experimentals.

 

Sorry for my last post...it was late i was tired and i was i little child.

[SteveL]

Moving an AI between fixed points and getting them to wait around till told otherwise can certainly be done in DR with the path system, even when there's fairly complex logic involved. Getting an AI to follow you whereever or do stuff like go fetch an item that you put down somewhere random isn't supported by DR, but it *is* supported by scripting and there are plenty of people (including me) who help mappers with scripts so it's not compulsory to learn scripting if you want to use it.

 

You can make an AI frobbable if you wish to trigger a script or an action. I've done that a lot in test maps. It feels a bit impolite, but it works

[Capela]

Well..that was fast answer.. .

 

Thanks for the information, from what you just said now, it seems enough from my point of view.

At the right time i will give you a call.

 

Thaks for your time.

[SteveL]

No problem, ping me when you have the idea fleshed out and I'll lend a hand. Nice work on the harbour by the way

[kyyrma]

I can also look into this at some point. I've been thinking of doing something similar for a map anyways, so I'll get back to you if I manage to rig a simple way of doing the AI follow stuff you need. That way you (or anyone else) can use it as an example.

[kyyrma]

Alright, here you go. This is a super simple way to make an AI follow you on command with zero scripting required.

 

Download follow_test.map (save this in your darkmod/maps folder, dmap and play normally)

 

This is how it works:

 

The bell item targets a trigger_relay, which triggers the bell_sound attached to the player as well as the start_conversation node (atdm:target_startconversation).

 

The start_conversation triggers a conversation called Follow Player that you can view through Map > Conversations... in the Dark Radiant menu.

 

In the conversation I've set Orton, our poor hapless servant, as the only active actor and given him the following orders:

 

1. Say a line

2. Walk to the player (player1 entity)

3. Say a line

 

Now every time you ring the bell, that conversation is triggered and Orton will walk to you. To prevent him from wandering back to his starting spot once he reaches you, I've added an unreachable path_corner in a separate room that he is targetting.

[VanishedOne]

That's one lovingly crafted test map.

 

One limitation seems to be that Orton only moves at all if he can pathfind his way to where you're standing. I tried standing on the table, at the far end from him, and ringing the bell, and instead of moving nearer he stayed where he was.

Edited November 11, 2014 by VanishedOne

[Capela]

Hello, it seems i cant interact with anything in the map, so i go console dmap---map it should work right?

 

 

Never mind....was just a question of position.....Well thats exactly what was on mind.

 

Thanks

Edited November 11, 2014 by Capela

[NeonsStyle]

I'm more interested in why you want to do this? Sounds like an interesting idea.

[Capela]

I'm more interested in why you want to do this? Sounds like an interesting idea.

 

Well a mission can be what you want, steal a diamond, get back a book and receive a reward for that,...go for information...etc...In my case its a person. And for my mission i cant just say...hey there you are..end. If i say more it could compromise the mission

[grayman]

Well a mission can be what you want, steal a diamond, get back a book and receive a reward for that,...go for information...etc...In my case its a person. And for my mission i cant just say...hey there you are..end. If i say more it could compromise the mission

 

Yes, missions so far that have involved finding a person mostly had that person dead or unconscious when finally found. Dead usually lead to a change in objectives. Unconscious usually meant carrying them out.

 

It would be nice to be able to lead them out.

 

In WS3: Cleighmoor ...

 

 

 

... I give the player the objective of letting someone out of jail, but in that case the guy simply runs off.

 

 

[Capela]

@grayman.. theres a proverb Portugese that say.... A word to the wise is sufficient.... is not the best translation but come on close.

[HMart]

@grayman.. theres a proverb Portugese that say.... A word to the wise is sufficient.... is not the best translation but come on close.

Are you portuguese PT or BR? I'm portuguese PT and btw you did well even if instead of half a word you used full word.

 

This is what a more or less direct translation imo looks like.

 

Original "Para bom entendedor meia palavra basta" Direct Translation "For someone that understands well half a word is enough", but in this way it loses that "musicality" from the original and yours does have that.