Belcher Concept Acn1021

[Springheel]

Please post all comments and concept art for the Belchers in this thread.

[New Horizon]

I picture them having some kind of sack that inflates under their neck before they belch gas. Trying to draw it, but it's been many years.

Edited October 7, 2004 by New Horizon

[god_is_my_goldfish]

working on this right now, will be a little while before i post it up, though.

[sparhawk]

working on this right now, will be a little while before i post it up, though.

Same here. Please post such things in the Project definition thread as well. We need this information so we can start thinking about properties of the AI.

[Darkness_Falls]

Where is the project definition thread? Can a link be provided?

 

Being a concept artist, I hardly ever delve into the other threads and there are lots of threads to try and figure out which one you're referring to

[sparhawk]

Where is the project definition thread?  Can a link be provided?

 

Being a concept artist, I hardly ever delve into the other threads and there are lots of threads to try and figure out which one you're referring to 

http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=159

 

The second post in this thread is the important one.

 

The aim of this thread is to collect all information about what we want to do on a more detailed level but not TO detailed. So discussion about conecpt art should be here, but the information that this beast should be done shouild be posted there as well.

 

You should also look through the document and add items in the lists, if you think that they should be included and I forgot them. For example: I listed a number texture themes and what each theme must provide for. If you notice that a theme, or a texture for a theme is missing, the list it, there so we can keep track of it. You don't need to be specific, but specific enough that we know what you are talking about. Of course even if you are an artist, that doesn't mean that you may not look through the other sections to check if we forgot something.

 

If you decide here that you want to do a belcher but the coders don't know about this, you can not animate your model afterwards.

Edited October 7, 2004 by sparhawk

[god_is_my_goldfish]

I'm not sure now whether or not this is the place to put the concept, but i'll stick it here anyway.

 

Huge image, all the sketches together

 

Just the belcher

 

Belcher Mouth

 

Internal chemistry diagram

[god_is_my_goldfish]

I'm doing a colored version as well, but that won't be up for a bit. I've got papers due...

[New Horizon]

I'm not sure now whether or not this is the place to put the concept, but i'll stick it here anyway.

 

Huge image, all the sketches together

 

Just the belcher

 

Belcher Mouth

 

Internal chemistry diagram

Wow, this is almost exactly how I pictured it. I put my pencil down in honor of you.

[pakmannen]

I think it should have a bit more of an grotesque/sinister look. Right now it looks almost lika a cute little innocent puppy (well, almost). Also, a bit more hair and stuff would be nice.

 

I like your chemistry diagram! Nice touch.

Edited October 8, 2004 by pakmannen

[New Horizon]

I think it should have a bit more of an grotesque/sinister look. Right now it looks almost lika a cute little innocent puppy (well, almost). Also, a bit more hair and stuff would be nice.

 

I like your chemistry diagram! Nice touch.

Puppy? *shudders* I wouldn't want to meet that thing. :lol:

[Springheel]

I always thought Burricks were kind of cute in the original. Especially the way they whimpered when you hit them. This concept is looking good, but take a closer look at the back legs...they look a little strange, like they need another joint or something.

[New Horizon]

I think the rear legs need to rest a little lower on the underside of the belcher.

[Renzatic]

I hereby dub our little Belcher "Billy", he shall be our friend.

[god_is_my_goldfish]

but take a closer look at the back legs...they look a little strange, like they need another joint or something.

Not quite understanding what you mean, care to elaborate?

 

Right now it looks almost lika a cute little innocent puppy

 

That was kind of my intent. If you look at the burricks in T1, they are pretty puppy like. THey're not evil creatures, they just attack whoever invades thier territory. PLus, the burricks always sounded like horny dogs if you ask me.

Edited October 8, 2004 by god_is_my_goldfish

[Darkness_Falls]

If possible, would you be able to load smaller images of the drawings and link to them with the tags in this thread rather than a listing of links? That'll make it easier to see the drawings. Springheel made this comment for some of my drawings a while back and I think it makes sense It helps to view them and compare them. For drawings that contain extreme detail, keep the smaller images, but link to the larger versions with http:// links.

 

Just a thought. I'm on 56K dial-up and it takes a while for those images to load

 

And yes, I like the drawings also, but I agree a joint might be missing in the hind legs. I haven't studied animals a lot so I usually mess up the structure of the hind legs myself because I haven't commited their joint and muscle structure to memory yet. But I have a book on drawing animals, and if we're to take the common structure of animal legs, then another joint should be drawn.

 

There seem to be 4 main joints in each hind leg (starting at the hip, working down) for animals. (This might be easier to see in rams, deer, bulls, horses, etc.) It looks like your creature has 3 joints and would thus have some mobility stiffness to it. Not a bad thing, just a visual 'non sequitur' (does not follow) thing that I think people are picking up on.

[Springheel]

Not quite understanding what you mean, care to elaborate?

 

The back legs have a single joint that bends backwards, making it unclear exactly how they would walk. Their forelegs don't look terribly useful in that regard. Adding another joint at the top or bottom of the leg might help. Take a look at some reference pics...a Trex might be useful or the back leg of a deer.

[god_is_my_goldfish]

Ah, it's missing the little "ankle joint" right before the foot connects to the leg. I think it's used for balance.

 

It could walk as is, but would move funny, the foot wouldn't have a very large range of movement.

Edited October 9, 2004 by god_is_my_goldfish

[pakmannen]

Yes the burricks were very cute, but I always though they were cute in an ugly kind of way. Argh, don't know how to explain it really. Just keep up the good work and all will be fine.

[jay pettitt]

More likely missing a thigh I'm afraid.

*jay goes looking for a bit of paper to scribble on*

 

Anatomy and Phisiology 101

Confusion arises because Human Beens are a bit odd. Our tarsus (we have a few so its tarsals) are in our feet. And we also walk on our feet, which is just daft. Just about everything else that isn't a monkey walks on their toes, not their feet. What looks like it might be a a back to front knee is actually the ankle. Like so.

Oh and the bulging muscle on the Belcher's tarsus is back to front. You had it right in mini diagram where you compare scale to a human. So is the Belchers inflatable Belch sack going to be coloured (like a frogs) as if to attract a mate.

 

Look everyone. Its a kitten.

Notice the really long foot, the knee and thigh?

Edited October 9, 2004 by jay pettitt

[Springheel]

I've done a redline to suggest some modifications to the leg.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, can we keep the concept art at 72 dpi? This picture is absolutely huge...24.4M in photoshop! This kind of rough drawing only needs to be 72 dpi and a maximum of about 800px wide.

[god_is_my_goldfish]

alright, but i'm gonna also put up higher res versions, because quality generally craps out at 76dpi.

[Springheel]

Monitors do not display anything higher than 72dpi. Anything higher than that is only useful if you are printing them out. On a monitor, it just makes it appear larger.

[god_is_my_goldfish]

Depends on your resolution really. But the art for general display will be at 72dpi from now on.

Edited October 10, 2004 by god_is_my_goldfish

[Springheel]

Depends on your resolution really

 

Nope, it doesn't. Trust me, I do this stuff all the time. Monitors are not designed to display more than 72 dpi. If you make a drawing at 300dpi, the monitor has to increase the size of the picture because it can't squeeze any more pixels into a given space. You aren't gaining any detail at all, you're just making the picture bigger. When you PRINT a picture, a 72dpi and 300dpi come out at the same size, so the 300dpi has a better resolution. Not so with monitors.

 

 

Try it yourself. Take a 300dpi image, load it in a webbrowser, and then shrink it to 72dpi and do the same thing. It will get smaller, but will not have lost any resolution.

Edited October 9, 2004 by Springheel