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27 minutes ago, Mezla said:

First and foremost: congratulations on another great mission release, Bienie! 👏

 I found it to have its own grey-dark atmosphere with lovely accents of humour and a particularly moving element.

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The slightly masochist thief-fan 😂 The masochist thief-fan. A priest-gambler and the punishment awaiting him. Oh and a rat with a cute scarf! Touching: the Grayman's and others' missions references as titles of books.

Side missions and especially Detective challenge* were well-seasoned parts of an adventure you invited the player to. 

And creme de la creme: secrets.

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Narnia!

Luv it.

Summing up: neatly tailored prologue to the CoS series and an interesting mission made by a pro. Bravo.



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*I found it almost by accident and as a few before me...

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...I can frob neither the loot nor the readable from the chest next to the sleeping cultist. I play 2.09 version of Dark Mod. 🤔


 

I'm glad you enjoyed it, sounds like you explored every nook and cranny as usual! 👍 There's still a couple of things I thought would have garnered a reaction that no one has commented on, probably nobody found them yet hehe.

There's always that one weird bug that inconsistently rears its ugly head... without fail every time I release a mission. Sounds like I may have to replace that chest with a boring old footlocker...

 

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My Fan Missions:

   Series:                                                                           Standalone:

Chronicles of Skulduggery 0: To Catch a Thief                     The Night of Reluctant Benefaction

Chronicles of Skulduggery 1: Pearls and Swine                    Langhorne Lodge

Chronicles of Skulduggery 2: A Precarious Position              

Chronicles of Skulduggery 3: Sacricide

 

 

 

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Bienie 🙂 Chin up, you made a full-fat mission, so minor inconvenience might be just like that slave who kept the laurel wreath over the head of the triumphant (while staying behind him in his chariot during the celebration parade in Rome) and whispered: "remember, you are a human being!", to remind that too much of pride might insult the gods 😉 
You've got all reasons to celebrate your mission release! 👏

As for Challenges,

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I know now that the Detective Challenge can be completed even without reading that particular scroll in the bugged chest but not the Miser as I couldn't pick up the last piece of loot up. Oh, well, going to repeat the whole mission on expert. More taffin' = more happiness. 🙂

 

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18 hours ago, Bienie said:

There's still a couple of things I thought would have garnered a reaction that no one has commented on, probably nobody found them yet hehe.

Ah, like for example 

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the unfortunate baker (Larry?) sacrificed by cultists, waterworks workers forming a union and jealousy of Bernard due to his lady being fascinated by crime stories and sharing this new hobby with Willard and similar spices 😉 added to the mission to make the player feel to explore the living city? 🙂

Btw: in Bernard's diary he wrote about the lady but used two different names: Lucinda and Gloria, while to my understanding it was related to Lucinda only? 🤔 Did you plan to make that story juicier or...? 

 

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Great mission! 

I have to admit I wasn't patient enough to find nearly everything, only spent about 80 minutes with it, but I loved the atmosphere (although that seems the be the rule with almost every mission I play, especially city missions). I realized I would prefer it if the main objective was a bit longer (even if it meant less side content), but that's just personal preference, can't please everyone :).

Like other people I appreciated the library and the "Narnia" secret quite a bit :). Didn't find the third secret in the library. 

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Found the opening bookcase and the one opened with the light fixture, but didn't find a use for the key under the model ship. Also the ring under the sofa caught me off guard, didn't expect anything more, but I don't assume that was the third thing. The whole idea with the thief admirer was hilarious of course.

The only small problem I had was that a guard on the ground floor of the manor spotted me through a closed door or through a wall from the kitchen. A bit annoying in a place where being spotted means game over, but it only happened once.

I had a good time and since this was my first CoS mission, I'm now sure I'll try the rest of the miniseries too.

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On 11/27/2021 at 5:53 PM, Mezla said:

Ah, like for example 

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the unfortunate baker (Larry?) sacrificed by cultists, waterworks workers forming a union and jealousy of Bernard due to his lady being fascinated by crime stories and sharing this new hobby with Willard and similar spices 😉 added to the mission to make the player feel to explore the living city? 🙂

Btw: in Bernard's diary he wrote about the lady but used two different names: Lucinda and Gloria, while to my understanding it was related to Lucinda only? 🤔 Did you plan to make that story juicier or...? 

 

Good catch on the readable, I didn't realize. I think I renamed her during writing the readable for some reason.

Those are some nice observations you made, a diligent reader and theorizer ^^ but the two things that I was referring to is a very special item in a hard to reach place, and a readable that is kind of suggestive and funny. Maybe a second playthrough will reveal even more nuggets ;)

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My Fan Missions:

   Series:                                                                           Standalone:

Chronicles of Skulduggery 0: To Catch a Thief                     The Night of Reluctant Benefaction

Chronicles of Skulduggery 1: Pearls and Swine                    Langhorne Lodge

Chronicles of Skulduggery 2: A Precarious Position              

Chronicles of Skulduggery 3: Sacricide

 

 

 

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On 11/27/2021 at 8:22 PM, vozka said:

Great mission! 

I have to admit I wasn't patient enough to find nearly everything, only spent about 80 minutes with it, but I loved the atmosphere (although that seems the be the rule with almost every mission I play, especially city missions). I realized I would prefer it if the main objective was a bit longer (even if it meant less side content), but that's just personal preference, can't please everyone :).

Like other people I appreciated the library and the "Narnia" secret quite a bit :). Didn't find the third secret in the library. 

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Found the opening bookcase and the one opened with the light fixture, but didn't find a use for the key under the model ship. Also the ring under the sofa caught me off guard, didn't expect anything more, but I don't assume that was the third thing. The whole idea with the thief admirer was hilarious of course.

The only small problem I had was that a guard on the ground floor of the manor spotted me through a closed door or through a wall from the kitchen. A bit annoying in a place where being spotted means game over, but it only happened once.

I had a good time and since this was my first CoS mission, I'm now sure I'll try the rest of the miniseries too.

Glad you enjoyed it! If it provided you with 80 minutes of fun it was still a success I would say!

I definitely know what you mean about the main objective being too short. It's kind of a feature of the CoS missions, but don't let that deter you! I will try to in future make more involved main missions while not compromising too much on side content.

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As for the third secret compartment in Willard's apartment, there is a chest (you found the key) hidden behind a painting. To reveal it you need to flick a switch in one of the bookshelves.

Spotting mechanics in TDM can be a bit fickle sometimes, but through all the testing it seemed to work well enough. I made sure the shadows were nice and deep in the manor where light didn't reach. But when an AI randomly spots you through items there's not much you can do... Luckily it was a one time event.

If you liked this mission I think you'll find the others enjoyable too, especially 2 and 3 which definitely have a bit more meat on the bones of the main objectives.

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My Fan Missions:

   Series:                                                                           Standalone:

Chronicles of Skulduggery 0: To Catch a Thief                     The Night of Reluctant Benefaction

Chronicles of Skulduggery 1: Pearls and Swine                    Langhorne Lodge

Chronicles of Skulduggery 2: A Precarious Position              

Chronicles of Skulduggery 3: Sacricide

 

 

 

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Thanks for this one! I need a direction on one thing though. I have done so much in the Mission.

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Been high and low, windows and doors, sewers,  streets, cultists, rats, side missions, all the secrets, etc. But I still have a key labeled Security Cage Key that I haven't used yet. I think I have figured what area I need to be in but can't find anything to unlock and nothing else frobbable. What did I miss and what direction?

I could end the mission right now but this key is staring at me.

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The security cage is in "Odbert's Cellar" the wine shop at the bottom of the stairs, south of your apartment. You enter through a ground-level window.

 

Thanks Bluehawk ! Actually I already found it and was coming back to post that. I was on the wrong side of the map and when I found it, it was kind of like " How did I miss that?" I went by it a few times ! Bienie, thanks for the mission. That was good stuff. Is there a way to get up to where that high archer is over the Market? Messed with that a bit but will try again soon. Am going to replay all of the COS Missions in order now.

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6 hours ago, Sneak said:

Thanks Bluehawk ! Actually I already found it and was coming back to post that. I was on the wrong side of the map and when I found it, it was kind of like " How did I miss that?" I went by it a few times ! Bienie, thanks for the mission. That was good stuff. Is there a way to get up to where that high archer is over the Market? Messed with that a bit but will try again soon. Am going to replay all of the COS Missions in order now.

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!

I don't think there is a way to get up where the archer is, at least I hope not, because behind him is a dark, empty abyss :P there is, however, one place where you shouldn't be able to get up, but you can with some acrobatics. I've left a little something up there for those few players who will find it ;)

Have fun with the replay of the whole series, I think you will have fun, seeing as you took the time to explore everything and even found all the secretes! I do tend to add little tidbits that are too secret to be official secrets lol.

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My Fan Missions:

   Series:                                                                           Standalone:

Chronicles of Skulduggery 0: To Catch a Thief                     The Night of Reluctant Benefaction

Chronicles of Skulduggery 1: Pearls and Swine                    Langhorne Lodge

Chronicles of Skulduggery 2: A Precarious Position              

Chronicles of Skulduggery 3: Sacricide

 

 

 

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17 hours ago, Bienie said:

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!

I don't think there is a way to get up where the archer is, at least I hope not, because behind him is a dark, empty abyss :P there is, however, one place where you shouldn't be able to get up, but you can with some acrobatics. I've left a little something up there for those few players who will find it ;)

Have fun with the replay of the whole series, I think you will have fun, seeing as you took the time to explore everything and even found all the secretes! I do tend to add little tidbits that are too secret to be official secrets lol.

So Bienie,

Let me guess!  The one place you can get too with acrobatics, would there be a

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Note and Gas Arrow there? 😎

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On 12/5/2021 at 5:24 AM, Sneak said:

So Bienie,

Let me guess!  The one place you can get too with acrobatics, would there be a

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Note and Gas Arrow there? 😎

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Hehe, that is indeed a hidden little nugget, and surely something not many players will find. Good eyes!

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The one I am referring to though is close by, on the roofs above the little gravel alley to the manor garden. It's "breaking the fourth wall" a bit, but I think people who find it will have a chuckle.

 

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My Fan Missions:

   Series:                                                                           Standalone:

Chronicles of Skulduggery 0: To Catch a Thief                     The Night of Reluctant Benefaction

Chronicles of Skulduggery 1: Pearls and Swine                    Langhorne Lodge

Chronicles of Skulduggery 2: A Precarious Position              

Chronicles of Skulduggery 3: Sacricide

 

 

 

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Somehow this took me three hours. Chased that fucking ring for probably half of it.

Other than that, you know it's a Bienie mission when most of the content requires climbing through apartment windows. A lot to do and find again, just fun stuff. The side content was particularly amusing, namely the

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cultists' hideout. I guess Varg wasn't invited to the 90s reunion.

Speaking of which, why did we just leave the girl in the cell?

Also, I'm a little sad that this part of the story was objectified by the Detective challenge. I feel like some of this side stuff is more effective when you just stumble upon it. This one got too verbose, "go to this guy's house, go to the sewer, go to Fenriz' house which is located here, find the secret in this exact spot". I feel like especially when it's optional, it's fine to let the player work for it.

I had a few of what I might consider technical issues. Well not really issues, more like notes.

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Some items can be frobbed through the geometry. At least the following:

  • Stuff in Abbath's chest
  • The money in the pub cupboard
  • The gas arrow in Williard's windowsill. I was rummaging around his house and picked it through the wall. Some time later I found the note the proper way outside.

Other than that, killing the zombie in the cult hideout fails the no kill objective. Not sure if intentional, I always find it a little odd when spiders and the undead trigger it.

Still, enjoyable as always. Good job again.

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On 12/21/2021 at 12:15 AM, roygato said:

Somehow this took me three hours. Chased that fucking ring for probably half of it.

Other than that, you know it's a Bienie mission when most of the content requires climbing through apartment windows. A lot to do and find again, just fun stuff. The side content was particularly amusing, namely the

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cultists' hideout. I guess Varg wasn't invited to the 90s reunion.

Speaking of which, why did we just leave the girl in the cell?

Also, I'm a little sad that this part of the story was objectified by the Detective challenge. I feel like some of this side stuff is more effective when you just stumble upon it. This one got too verbose, "go to this guy's house, go to the sewer, go to Fenriz' house which is located here, find the secret in this exact spot". I feel like especially when it's optional, it's fine to let the player work for it.

I had a few of what I might consider technical issues. Well not really issues, more like notes.

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Some items can be frobbed through the geometry. At least the following:

  • Stuff in Abbath's chest
  • The money in the pub cupboard
  • The gas arrow in Williard's windowsill. I was rummaging around his house and picked it through the wall. Some time later I found the note the proper way outside.

Other than that, killing the zombie in the cult hideout fails the no kill objective. Not sure if intentional, I always find it a little odd when spiders and the undead trigger it.

Still, enjoyable as always. Good job again.

Thanks for the detailed feedback! Sorry the ring eluded you for so long, I didn't provide much in the way of hints for it, but I figured most players would break in to the neighbor's place at some point and find it.

There's definitely a lot of random breaking and entering that pays off in my CoS missions. This one is certainly no exception.

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Hah, indeed I think Varg was out burning down a builder outpost that night :D it was hard to choose only 4 black metal icons to put in the map...

I definitely know what you mean about it being better when the player can find it a bit more serendipitously, but as a mapper I have to also consider the time I put into parts of a map that only very few players will ever find. That's why I made it a little more obvious to attract more players attention to it. At the same time I know one of the coolest feelings in a map is stumbling upon something that makes you wonder if anyone else found it before. It's a hard balance.

As for the bugs/notes;
 

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Abbath's chest is a known troublemaker. A lot of players seem to run into the opposite problem, where the contents become unfrobable when the chest is open. It's on my list to change this to a regular footlocker when I update.

Were you able to frob the money through the cashbox lid in the pub, or did you open the cashbox and then frob it through the cabinet door? If so that's not exactly a bug, just a minor oversight.

The frobbing of the gas arrow I was aware of actually through my own testing. I could not for the life of me make it not grabable through the wall. I just gave up and figured nobody will find that bug! I guess you found it though ^^

It didn't even occur to me that the zombie should be exempt from the kill objective. That actually would make sense and I just forgot about him in his cage down there. The problem is that he is on the same team as the cultists so that they don't freak out at eachother.

 

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My Fan Missions:

   Series:                                                                           Standalone:

Chronicles of Skulduggery 0: To Catch a Thief                     The Night of Reluctant Benefaction

Chronicles of Skulduggery 1: Pearls and Swine                    Langhorne Lodge

Chronicles of Skulduggery 2: A Precarious Position              

Chronicles of Skulduggery 3: Sacricide

 

 

 

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On 12/22/2021 at 1:40 AM, Bienie said:

Thanks for the detailed feedback! Sorry the ring eluded you for so long, I didn't provide much in the way of hints for it, but I figured most players would break in to the neighbor's place at some point and find it.

 

It's just a little unfortunate placement for it. :awesome: If you don't find it right away, you may never go back. I visited the room as soon as the mission started, just didn't open my eyes.

On 12/22/2021 at 1:40 AM, Bienie said:

There's definitely a lot of random breaking and entering that pays off in my CoS missions. This one is certainly no exception.

It's like your style at this point. Just revisited CoS 1, did not remember it having that stuff in there too.

On 12/22/2021 at 1:40 AM, Bienie said:
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Hah, indeed I think Varg was out burning down a builder outpost that night :D it was hard to choose only 4 black metal icons to put in the map...

I definitely know what you mean about it being better when the player can find it a bit more serendipitously, but as a mapper I have to also consider the time I put into parts of a map that only very few players will ever find. That's why I made it a little more obvious to attract more players attention to it. At the same time I know one of the coolest feelings in a map is stumbling upon something that makes you wonder if anyone else found it before. It's a hard balance.

Totally get it.

On 12/22/2021 at 1:40 AM, Bienie said:

As for the bugs/notes;

 

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Abbath's chest is a known troublemaker. A lot of players seem to run into the opposite problem, where the contents become unfrobable when the chest is open. It's on my list to change this to a regular footlocker when I update.

Were you able to frob the money through the cashbox lid in the pub, or did you open the cashbox and then frob it through the cabinet door? If so that's not exactly a bug, just a minor oversight.

The frobbing of the gas arrow I was aware of actually through my own testing. I could not for the life of me make it not grabable through the wall. I just gave up and figured nobody will find that bug! I guess you found it though ^^

It didn't even occur to me that the zombie should be exempt from the kill objective. That actually would make sense and I just forgot about him in his cage down there. The problem is that he is on the same team as the cultists so that they don't freak out at eachother.

 

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For the pub cabinet/cashbox, I don't remember right now, I'd have to check it again. I could at least frob the cabinet door from the opposite side of the desk, and then frob the cashbox open through the whole thing as well.

I was trying to get the zombie kill one of the cultists for me, no wonder it didn't work. :awesome:

 

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