What's this mission?

[chakkman]

I saw by chance that Mr. b1k3rdude uploaded a video of a TDM mission's briefing on his YT channel. I never heard of this mission, at least I can't remember. Will this mission be released at some point? It looks interesting.

 

[datiswous]

It's an abandoned mission that bikerdude has adopted and been working on for a while. See here:

https://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Abandoned_Works#Blackheart_Manor

[chakkman]

Nice.  Thanks for the info.

[jaxa]

Didn't I watch a teaser trailer (not briefing) for Blackheart Manor 12+ years ago? I don't see it on YouTube.

[chakkman]

Makes sense as the mission (at least the first work on it) seems to be pretty old. I found a thread from 2011 about it.

 

Edited June 7, 2023 by chakkman

[Springheel]

I guess knowing that Bikerdude is continuing to use my art without asking or giving credit provides some continuity to the universe.... 

 

 

 

 

[jaxa]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/the-dark-mod/videos/the-way-to-black-heart-manor

It looks like the original video might be lost or very buried, but here's some details for it.

Posted September 9, 2008
6:43 duration
720x576 resolution
"The Way To Black Heart Manor"
TDM_BLACKHEART.avi

Just kidding, it works on ModDB, the first browser I tried didn't load it.

https://cdn.dbolical.com/cache/videos/mods/1/4/4000/encode720p_mp4/TDM_BLACKHEART.avi.mp4

I downloaded. >100 MB, a bloated re-encode of the ~50 MB original. Same 720x576 res.

Edited June 8, 2023 by jaxa

[datiswous]

16 hours ago, Springheel said:

I guess knowing that Bikerdude is continuing to use my art without asking or giving credit provides some continuity to the universe.... 

Which art is that in the case of this video?

[chakkman]

If my ears don't deceive me, the narrator's voice.  

By the way, I don't have a horse in this race, and don't want to hold a discussion about it, but, how do you keep it? Let's say there is a mission planned and multiple parties are involved. The mission is on hold for years, due to people formerly involved in the mission don't work on it anymore, have gone inactive, or else. Someone chooses to pick up on it, and continues to work on it. Will he be free to do what he wants with the mission, granted the people originally onvolved are OK with it? Do you expect to be credited when the mission is done? Do you see your work or art as closed source, unless someone asks for permission to use it?

I always thought, with the mod being open source, and so many openly available contributions to the assets, it would more or less mean that people are also allowed to work and pick up on old, discontinued missions, and don't have to ask for everything. Maybe I'm naive in thinking that.

Edited June 8, 2023 by chakkman

[Wellingtoncrab]

Just to clarify Bikerdude did not make the video - it is the same asset as it was abandoned 12 years ago. I know this as he has asked me about attempting to upscale the original video (which I could not do) as he is not in possession of dram’s source project. Here is the asset as it was originally published:

I understand the sensitivity around the issue, but if there is some missing attribution it originates from the original author/work, and was an oversight from 10+ years ago.

Speaking to Bikerdude now that he is aware of it he will endeavor to remove your work @Springheel from the video as soon as he can.

Edit: While it was never specifically confirmed, the asset in the briefing that could be attributed to springheel should be removed  

Edited June 9, 2023 by Wellingtoncrab
Added BD plan to edit video

[chakkman]

6 minutes ago, Wellingtoncrab said:

Just to clarify Bikerdude did not make the video - it is the same asset as it was abandoned 12 years ago.

That was immediately obvious to me when I saw it. Which was part of the reason I asked the original question, because, it seemed like an old mission to me which he continued to work on.