Fan Mission: The Lieutenant 3: Foreign Affairs by Frost_Salamander

[datiswous]

But I think uncaped mode does introduce the bug with the continuing sound of the noise-arrow after pickup.

[Braunro]

So I just downloaded and started this and I'm not very far into it yet. But so far this is gorgeous and amazingly well done. Like "I could live in this place." well done. Great job!

[Frost_Salamander]

23 hours ago, Plaugemouse said:

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Lever in mage house is also unfrobbable. Same bug perhaps?

 

If you mean

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The one in the fireplace, it's frobable but you need to get the right angle

I just retried both this and the cabinets in Jerry's on my test install of TDM and they both work fine.

EDIT: I'm not saying there might not be an issue, but I can't reproduce them and if anyone can I'd be keen to hear the details.

Edited May 22, 2024 by Frost_Salamander

[Braunro]

I'm also having trouble with 

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the lever in the mage's fireplace 

not being frobbable. I even noclipped eventually just to be sure and it's totally inert. Win11, 64. Have not yet been to the jewelry shop.

[Oleron]

Looks nice from the ten minutes I've been here so far. Is there a trick...

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...to climb the ratlines on the ship? I keep passing through them and falling.

 

[Kopfrkingl]

What a mission. All my favorite ingredients - verticality, story, secrets, optional objectives - in a setting previously unseen in TDM as far as I recall. Sneaking about felt incredibly fresh, almost like a different game. And the doors with the little latches! Unlocking shortcuts and passages was most enjoyable, which is good as it's a big mission with lots to explore. The Ministry was pretty challenging to stealth through with all the cameras, particularly the one on the top floor. Found 9 secrets out of 10 and a bit over 5k loot.

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When I jumped into the pool and appeared elsewhere, I thought it was a bug lol. That trap was brilliant, really caught me by surprise.

The problem with the unfrobbable lever in the fireplace and the two display cases also happened to me. For some reason, when I started the mission again and noclipped over to the fireplace lever and the two display cases in the jewel shop, all of them could be frobbed. I guess I must have done something weird in the playthrough to change that.

[Oleron]

53 minutes ago, Kopfrkingl said:

... Found 9 secrets out of 10 and a bit over 5k loot.

I've already noticed an area inaccessible save by clipping into it. 

[Frost_Salamander]

5 hours ago, Oleron said:

I've already noticed an area inaccessible save by clipping into it. 

This shouldn't be the case. What area?

[manzanita-crow]

Great mission thanks! The setting makes a lovely change and it's beautiful. I think I've done everything except:

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• get into the jeweller's shop
• open the scimitar/sword case at the top of the Ministry of Defence

Any hints please?

[Frost_Salamander]

30 minutes ago, manzanita-crow said:

Great mission thanks! The setting makes a lovely change and it's beautiful. I think I've done everything except:

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• get into the jeweller's shop
• open the scimitar/sword case at the top of the Ministry of Defence

Any hints please?

hints:

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jeweller's shop: There is another window at the side of the shop.  Maybe lift yourself up somehow and peek through it.

Scimitar case: look closely near the chair/table by the door that goes out to the patio.

 

[Frost_Salamander]

So regarding the frobbing issues.  The thing in common with the two areas is a location script executes when entering/leaving the area which sets the frobability of the items.  This is to prevent them being frobbed from outside their location, through walls, etc.  I've used this technique in my last 3 FMs without any problems.  I'm wondering if these aren't executing for some people?

Also:

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regarding the lever in the mage fireplace - it's not easy to frob.  Make sure you use your lean left/right controls to really lean into the fireplace.  It's not THAT hard but you probably do need to use your lean ability.  And if you noclip into it, you need to be inside the fireplace.

 

So for people having the issue - at your convenience could you try starting a new game and noclipping to the problem areas to see if the issue still happens?  The location scripts should still execute while in noclip mode.

[Oleron]

3 hours ago, Frost_Salamander said:

This shouldn't be the case. What area?

It's the...

 

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...top level restaurant type area with a Euro couple. The male has a bottle of the coveted hooch.

 

 If that doesn't do it, I will try to get a screenshot. 

[Marbrien]

Oleron, I don't think you can actually enter the room where they are sitting.  Instead

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you need to find the apartment of the guy with the model ship award.  I can't be exact, but its in the same courtyard as the restaurant windows you are trying to reach, on the opposite side to the mosque.  Go to the top floor of that apartment, on to the balcony, climb the railings, and make your way along a very narrow ledge to relieve the man of his special bottle and the lady of her necklace. 

I have a query of my own: below the room where you arrive after the outdoor pool event, there's a window with a gold telescope on the ledge.  I may have already been in that area, but can't find my way back.  Any clues please?

Also, in addition to the jewelry cases not being frobabble, neither is the lever in the mage's fireplace, despite my leaning every which way.  Can someone please remind me how to noclip?

Edited May 23, 2024 by Marbrien

[Frost_Salamander]

33 minutes ago, Oleron said:

It's the...

 

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...top level restaurant type area with a Euro couple. The male has a bottle of the coveted hooch.

 

 If that doesn't do it, I will try to get a screenshot. 

ok, so

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that area is not accessible on purpose.  Anything to be obtained from that area can be taken without entering the building.

 

[Frost_Salamander]

3 minutes ago, Marbrien said:

Oleron, I don't think you can actually enter the room where they are sitting.  Instead you need to find the apartment of the guy with the model ship award.  I can't be exact, but its in the same courtyard as the restaurant windows you are trying to reach, on the opposite side to the mosque.  Go to the top floor of that apartment, on to the balcony, climb the railings, and make your way along a very narrow ledge to relieve the man of his special bottle and the lady of her necklace. 

I have a query of my own: below the room where you arrive after the outdoor pool event, there's a window with a gold telecsope on the ledge.  I may have already been in that area, but can't find my way back.  Any clues please?

Also, in addition to the jewelry cases not being frobabble, neither is the lever in the mage's fireplace, despite my leaning every which way.  Can someone please remind me how to noclip?

@Marbrien please use spoiler tags 

As to your questions:

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To get to the room with the gold spyglass, you need to frob that lever in the mage fireplace.  Sorry it's not working, this wasn't an issue in beta.  To noclip, see here: https://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Console_Useful_Controls (bring down console and type 'noclip' )

 

[Marbrien]

With noclip on, both jewelry cases and the fireplace lever are frobabble.

[Frost_Salamander]

1 hour ago, Marbrien said:

With noclip on, both jewelry cases and the fireplace lever are frobabble.

OK thanks.  In the same game, are they also frobable when you don't noclip? Just trying to understand if it's random or not.

[Marbrien]

OK, I went to both locations with noclip on, and the items were frobbable.  In both locations I then turned noclip off, and the items were still frobbable.

[Frost_Salamander]

2 minutes ago, Marbrien said:

OK, I went to both locations with noclip on, and the items were frobbable.  In both locations I then turned noclip off, and the items were still frobbable.

Yeah and this is the problem - there's no way really to tell why it's happening.

To troubleshoot this issue, we would probably need someone who has experienced the problem to volunteer for a lot of really boring testing.

[Marbrien]

I'm afraid I'm just about to get heavily tied up with some real life activities, so I can't help with any testing in the next few weeks.

I'm not an FM author myself, but scripts seem to add complexity and the risk of malfunctions, both in TDM and Thief FMs.  And I wonder if they are avoidable in these two instances.  Are you sure the script is necessary at all with the lever, which is fairly hard to find?  And might it not be simpler to move the jewel cases further from the window and dispense with the script?

[Frost_Salamander]

56 minutes ago, Marbrien said:

Are you sure the script is necessary at all with the lever, which is fairly hard to find?  And might it not be simpler to move the jewel cases further from the window and dispense with the script?

The problem with the lever is if people have the frob helper turned on...

And you're right about the cabinets - they can probably be moved.

I guess I'll have to add these scripts to the ever-growing list of unreliable TDM features....

[Underwood]

Hi,

thanks for this missions. I am stucking with the optional target in the mosque:

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When I grab the book, I am not able to use the stone to open the door from inside. It is possible from outside and inside without triggering the "alarm".

Do I oversee something or is it a bug?

Edited May 23, 2024 by Underwood

[Frost_Salamander]

2 hours ago, Underwood said:

Hi,

thanks for this missions. I am stucking with the optional target in the mosque:

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When I grab the book, I am not able to use the stone to open the door from inside. It is possible from outside and inside without triggering the "alarm".

Do I oversee something or is it a bug?

Hi,

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There is a way to disable the trap.  Did you search Salim's office carefully?

 

[irisx]

I really liked this mission, the variety, the architecture, the verticality, the soundscapes, the nice little touches like

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nargile dens, one-way doors, illusionary pools or damage from sharp objects

In some ways I think it expands the TDM universe in a totally new direction, like few other missions do.

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I've also encountered the unfrobbable jewel cases and fireplace lever. In my first visit to the jeweler's, the cases were frobabble and I left them open. Visiting the mage's place it was impossible to activate the lever, no matter how I leaned left-right-forward, noclipped inside the fireplace etc. The strange thing is, when I went back to the jeweler's, the case lids were now unfrobbable too, I could not close them.

 

[Frost_Salamander]

I wonder if just leaving/re-entering the room will fix the issue with the jewelry cabinets.  I've left a 'known issues' section in the original post to try that.  As this seems to be far too common, I will probably need to release an update.