Beta testing 2.14

[stgatilov]

1 minute ago, Bergante said:

how does some of you do - when they ask for a save to look for a mentioned problem ?

I think people usually say which TDM version to use.
If not, then it is assumed to be the latest official release = "default" version selected in tdm_installer.

[Bergante]

@snatcher

Spoiler

you make me smile 
in German we say : sie dürfen mich duzen
hi Sir --- ?         Hello sir --- ? You are much closer to me than calling me sir

(one of the first ones I made)
maybe not this close

 

[Bergante]

10 hours ago, stgatilov said:

I think people usually say which TDM version to use.
If not, then it is assumed to be the latest official release = "default" version selected in tdm_installer.

sorry - doesn´t do on my installs 
none other - than a 1 to 1 copy off the install the save came from - loads the save 

EDIT : !!! oh man what a fool i am !!!
the 1-to-1-copy made me think - 
for any copy of a game with saves - I need to remember if there an additional mod has been installed while played .
EDIT : P.s. think the biggest Problem was a Downgrade after an Update without Copying beforehand !
a downhrade will still have differences to correct install and therefor don´t accept saves !?
never noticed a problem as long the tdm-version was ok (perhabs because i started mission anew when i added one .)I need to test whether it makes a difference if they are added as pk.4 or in the Snatchers Mod-Pack JSMG. Normally, I have 2 standard versions – so hopefully it shouldn’t be too difficult to revive the old saved games. Using the New Angel Loader could also be helpful.
So much hassle/trouble could have been avoided 

Thank you, stgatilov & wesp5 Your comments made me copy and paste a lot until I understood it.

Edited February 23 by Bergante

[stgatilov]

9 hours ago, JackFarmer said:

I cannot reproduce the above mentioned with a guard's head, but I think I can reproduce it with a rat:

Blood decal is projected onto "lightgem_surface", which is very internal thing.
Interestingly, this is actually refression caused by r_decalInteractive.

I'll try to add some filter for this.
UPDATE: Fixed in svn rev 17492.

[datiswous]

20 hours ago, stgatilov said:

only show compatible saves

this makes the most sense. All other saves are incompatible so should not be seen inside tdm.

[Bikerdude]

On 2/17/2026 at 8:57 AM, Bikerdude said:

Dont know if this has been reported already, but I think I found a 2.14 bug. The loot gui element is appearing over the top of the hud ui elements. Not sure if this is just with collectable loot items, that normally clears up again if you pick up a real loot item?
 

Im still seeing this with 2.14_05

[thebigh]

The floating blood decal issue look like it might be related to water entities.

[Arcturus]

I updated to beta215-05. I get crash to desktop when I hold mouse2 (Frob/Interact).

[thebigh]

7 hours ago, Arcturus said:

I updated to beta215-05. I get crash to desktop when I hold mouse2 (Frob/Interact).

Yep. Me too. Doesn't happen when frobbing an object, but if I try to long-frob empty space I get an immediate segfault and CTD.

 

edit: can confirm that it happens in both Linux and Windows.

Edited February 23 by thebigh

[kingsal]

@stgatilovApolgies if this was mentioned but I am having a problem if an error is posted to the console. 
I get a black screen and a freeze if the level tried to load with an error in its map.script file (probably in any script file actually.)

The error shows up in the log for example :
 ERROR:Function 'spiderweb_enter' has the wrong number of parameters for function call from 'test_web1'
--------------------------------------
WARNING:idSession: triggering mainmenu watchdog

But it doesnt do the previous behavior of kicking you out of the map and posting the error. It just freezes.  

[Bikerdude]

9 hours ago, thebigh said:

Yep. Me too. Doesn't happen when frobbing an object, but if I try to long-frob empty space I get an immediate segfault and CTD.

Im getting this now also. My system specs below - 

⦁ Win 10 (22H2) 
⦁  Ryzen 7 9800X3D 
⦁ RTX 4080 
⦁ 32GB DDR5-6000, CL30 
⦁ Rocket4plus 2tb

[thebigh]

Doesn't happen in 2.14-4

[bunnyboy]

15 hours ago, thebigh said:

Yep. Me too. Doesn't happen when frobbing an object, but if I try to long-frob empty space I get an immediate segfault and CTD.

 

edit: can confirm that it happens in both Linux and Windows.

Same for me
log:

signal caught: Segmentation fault
si_code 1
Trying to exit gracefully..
----- idRenderModelManagerLocal::EndLevelLoad -----
    0 models purged from previous level,   694 models kept.
---------------------------------------------------
Regenerated world, staticAllocCount = 0.
Getting threadname failed, reason: No such file or directory (2)
--------- Game Map Shutdown ----------
ModelGenerator memory: 10 LOD entries with 0 users using 160 bytes.
WARNING:idClipModel::FreeTraceModel: tried to free uncached trace model (index=0)
--------- Game Map Shutdown done -----
Shutting down sound hardware
idRenderSystem::Shutdown()
...shutting down QGL
I18NLocal: Shutdown.
------------ Game Shutdown -----------
ModelGenerator memory: No LOD entries.
Shutdown event system
--------------------------------------
Sys_Error: ERROR: pthread_join Frontend failed

shutdown terminal support
About to exit with code 1

 

[datiswous]

16 hours ago, thebigh said:

Yep. Me too. Doesn't happen when frobbing an object, but if I try to long-frob empty space I get an immediate segfault and CTD.

 

edit: can confirm that it happens in both Linux and Windows.

When you set in game settings Hold Frob/Interact to TDM(inv), it's reversed. So then short frob on empty space creates a crash and long frob does not.

When you set it to disabled you can play normally.

So I would say it's related to the "Use Inv. Item" command with the mouse

Edited February 23 by datiswous

[datiswous]

Btw. I just noticed that you can drop the spyglass on the ground. You cannot do that to the compass and lantern, so it seems illogical. Well I guess this is something for 2.15 maybe.

[datiswous]

21 hours ago, Bikerdude said:

Im still seeing this with 2.14_05

I actually don't see this anymore in 2.14_05

Edit: I can't reproduce this in 2.14_04 either so it must be that it doesn't always happens.

Edited February 23 by datiswous

[Bikerdude]

hmm, let me nuke my TDM config files then and see..

 

[Bikerdude]

29 minutes ago, datiswous said:

I actually don't see this anymore in 2.14_05

Edit: I can't reproduce this in 2.14_04 either so it must be that it doesn't always happens.

Nuking the config files fixed it for me.

[snatcher]

I would like to know if the new door controls had any influence on the new frob styles. I would like to have a beta where the new door controls can be completely disabled (as if the feature never existed).

I do not understand why in 2.13 switches and levers get triggered "on key press" whereas in the 2.14 betas they get triggered "on key release", regardless of the frob control style. I just noticed the script event frob() no longer works on doors, switches and levers.

Going for both new frob styles and new door controls in the same round was probably too much. I want to help but I no longer can guess why some things are happening.

Edited February 23 by snatcher

[Frost_Salamander]

16 hours ago, kingsal said:

@stgatilovApolgies if this was mentioned but I am having a problem if an error is posted to the console. 
I get a black screen and a freeze if the level tried to load with an error in its map.script file (probably in any script file actually.)

The error shows up in the log for example :
 ERROR:Function 'spiderweb_enter' has the wrong number of parameters for function call from 'test_web1'
--------------------------------------
WARNING:idSession: triggering mainmenu watchdog

But it doesnt do the previous behavior of kicking you out of the map and posting the error. It just freezes.  

I wonder if this issue I raised is related: https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6686

I don't remember the game being this flaky if scripts had errors in them...

[stgatilov]

On 2/23/2026 at 12:38 AM, Arcturus said:

I updated to beta215-05. I get crash to desktop when I hold mouse2 (Frob/Interact).

beta214-06 is available, mainly with the fix for this.

[thebigh]

That fix worked for me. 

[grodenglaive]

22 hours ago, Frost_Salamander said:

I wonder if this issue I raised is related: https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6686

I don't remember the game being this flaky if scripts had errors in them...

Similar problem for me. Any script error at all is giving me a black screen on map load and the game hangs. Previously it would display the error and fail to load the map. 

[datiswous]

7 hours ago, thebigh said:

That fix worked for me. 

Me too and also on setting TDM (inv.) where it would previously crash on shortclick on mouse2

[stgatilov]

On 2/23/2026 at 1:56 AM, kingsal said:

@stgatilovApolgies if this was mentioned but I am having a problem if an error is posted to the console. 
I get a black screen and a freeze if the level tried to load with an error in its map.script file (probably in any script file actually.)

The exact way how it kicks you out to the menu is not very reliable in multithreaded case.

Any idea when the issue started happening?