Nothing to see here...

[chakkman]

Really... nothing... just move on...

https://store.steampowered.com/app/4200960/Thief_The_Dark_Project_Remastered/

 

[I.C.H.I.]

Just a new model pack and slightly improved textures? They didn't even try to improve level geometry... I expected more from them.

[chakkman]

In my opinion, the closer they stay to the original the better.

Edited June 8 by chakkman

[lowenz]

They can do both, just switching between on command.

[Jnon]

I agree with concerns that they're going to just slap TFix and gussied up textures on it, release it for 40 bucks, and then delist the originals like they did with System Shock 2 

[Arcturus]

There's bloom and I think ambient occlusion (?). Some kind of rim light on NPCs. I like new models, torches look nice. Some of the shots in the trailer look like nothing has changed though. I agree about the world geometry. I'm playing Toom Raider 2 remastered and they made some subtle touch-ups to level geometry here and there.

4k, 120 fps, widescreen aspect ratios. From what he says, it would suggest that Russel and Brosius recorded new lines, or maybe re-recorded old ones?

[chakkman]

1 hour ago, Arcturus said:

There's bloom and I think ambient occlusion (?). Some kind of rim light on NPCs. I like new models, torches look nice. Some of the shots in the trailer look like nothing has changed though. I agree about the world geometry. I'm playing Toom Raider 2 remastered and they made some subtle touch-ups to level geometry here and there.

I frankly would have been p***ed off if they would have changed the level geometry in the Tomb Raider remasters. Especially considering the controls and movements were made with fixed units in mind.

They had a hard time implementing the modern controls because of that. There are some things which are not possible with the modern controls. 

I'm a bit split regarding the Thief Gold remaster though. I don't really think it is as necessary as the Tomb Raider remasters, for example. TFix works fine. For Tomb Raider, the fact alone that you are not restricted to 30 FPS like in the original games was a huge advantage of the remasters, not to talk about the graphical improvements, widescreen support, and a lot of bug fixes. You pretty much have that with Thief Gold and TFix already.

In the Steam forums, they mentioned the advantage of having new people getting into Thief, but, I don't think it will be that many.

Edited June 8 by chakkman

[datiswous]

4 hours ago, Jnon said:

and then delist the originals like they did with System Shock 2 

I think the original is included in the new edition, which I think is ok.

I think the ss2 new edition turned out nice so I expect the same for this release. Not sure I get it, I already have the excisting games. But I think it's nice for new player if the price is fair.

Edited June 8 by datiswous

[Zerush]

TDM has a way better quality IMHO

[chakkman]

3 minutes ago, Zerush said:

TDM has a way better quality IMHO

The engine is obviously better, as is the item handling. The lore, the atmosphere, the sound/music, gameplay, the A.I., the diversity of the different enemy types? All better in the original Thiefs, to be honest. That said, it's probably the best franchise which was ever created, so, it's very hard to top it.

[New Horizon]

I'm sure the finished product will look different.  It's says 'pre-alpha' at the bottom of the video so I expect we may be in for a treat come release time.  One post said a brand new campaign is bundled in?  I wonder if Terri and Stephen were brought in to record lines for that?

[chakkman]

Google A.I. says there is no new campaign included, for what it's worth: https://share.google/aimode/vdfonEYYeNcKGbV5J

I have no idea what Stephen Russell's involvement is about either though. I wondered about that as well.

Hopefully they didn't add more babble to the original game...

Edited June 8 by chakkman

[Bikerdude]

FFS, are they have a laugh at this point.. The thief community have created better "remastered" versions of T1 that make that trailer look like a joke..

[Arcturus]

5 hours ago, chakkman said:

I frankly would have been p***ed off if they would have changed the level geometry in the Tomb Raider remasters. Especially considering the controls and movements were made with fixed units in mind.

Most of the geometry is exactly the same. It doesn't affect how the game works.

[Jnon]

15 hours ago, datiswous said:

I think the original is included in the new edition, which I think is ok.

With a significant price hike. OG System Shock 2 was around $10, usually discounted to less than half that. Post de-listing, your only option to buy it was to pay $30 for the Enhanced Edition and get the original as an add-on. Quite a markup.

I understand the argument from the position of simplicity, standardization, etc. People might get confused and buy the wrong version, sure. But removing the lower priced option entirely so you can sell the higher priced one still strikes me as a little scummy

[datiswous]

16 hours ago, chakkman said:

The engine is obviously better, as is the item handling. The lore, the atmosphere, the sound/music, gameplay, the A.I., the diversity of the different enemy types? All better in the original Thiefs, to be honest. That said, it's probably the best franchise which was ever created, so, it's very hard to top it.

Well tdm is just a modding platform and very hard to top Thief especially if you try to copy it. Because that's what tdm is about. It's not really it's own product. Then there is a lot of difference in how missions do lore and immersion so there's no way to do a real comparison. Get a real writer doing a mission and it wins a contest (Requiem).

[Filizitas]

12 hours ago, Arcturus said:

Most of the geometry is exactly the same. It doesn't affect how the game works.

I like both! Wasnt there a button for this game specificly to switch between the graphics?

[chakkman]

Yep, you can switch between the old and new graphics with F1. Unfortunately, the old graphics only run with 30 FPS. And, texture filtering is deactivated, which makes it look even worse.

Edited June 9 by chakkman

[SeriousToni]

This caught me off guard today. I'm really excited for the remaster - finally ! 

[taffernicus]

In addition to many people worrying about compatibility with older fan-made missions, there are also concerns that it won’t capture the essence of the original Thief and that it might be a cash grab,

In terms of price, should the reasonable price be around $20?

i know there may be other factors that could cause the price to exceed that amount

 

 

Edited June 9 by taffernicus

[Filizitas]

1 minute ago, taffernicus said:

In addition to many people worrying about compatibility with older fan-made missions, there are also concerns that it won’t capture the essence of the original Thief and that it might be a cash grab.

In terms of price, should the reasonable price be around $10?

i know there may be other factors that could cause the price to exceed that amount

 

 

Mh depends. I am still skeptical about the final feature list. We are the core fanbase here... We have high standards and we own those. Nightdive MUST know this... They are in hot water if they fuck it up and I wont respect them if they cant dish out.

[New Horizon]

19 hours ago, Bikerdude said:

FFS, are they have a laugh at this point.. The thief community have created better "remastered" versions of T1 that make that trailer look like a joke..

It's pre-alpha which I think a lot of people probably missed with the small text at the bottom of the video.  This is just a trailer to reveal it's coming, not a finished release trailer.  I suspect it will look much better later.  Might not please us all but I'm sure the quality will be good.  I do hope the the new campaign that Atari slipped out in its promotion is true though.  That would be unheard of...especially if some former LGS Devs were working on it.  Could bridge the gap between Thief 1 and 2.

[chakkman]

1 hour ago, taffernicus said:

In addition to many people worrying about compatibility with older fan-made missions, there are also concerns that it won’t capture the essence of the original Thief and that it might be a cash grab,

I have no idea why some people think a remaster of a 30 year old niche game is supposed to be a "cash grab"...

People can't think anymore, I tell you. And people also don't honour work and effort anymore, and the necessity to create money, when you do something for a living.

Edited June 9 by chakkman

[chakkman]

4 hours ago, New Horizon said:

 I do hope the the new campaign that Atari slipped out in its promotion is true though.  

Do you have a link? I neither read about something like that anywhere, nor does the Google A.I. find anything in that regard.

Edit: Ok, I guess this is what you mean: 

 

Edited June 9 by chakkman

[jaxa]

It would be interesting if they collaborated with the NewDark creator(s) if they plan on updating any code. Probably not even necessary at this point, but who knows?