Dont Want To Be Rude

[MadhatteR]

I was wondering if you ever contacted john-p in helping you with textures etc. I used his textures in both Thief-DS and Deus Ex-IW just because i wasnt satisfied with the quality of the ingame graphics, and his were much better. Hence i wonder if he could help you out with texturing models etc.

 

you might feel strongly about it, but i was just a suggestion from a n00b / newby who has been modding his games for ages.

http://www.john-p.com/index.shtml

http://www.john-p.com/textures/index.shtml

 

So please dont take offence I just want to get started on playing the dark mod

 

greetzzz

[New Horizon]

John and I used to moderate the old Ion Storm boards together. I've been in contact with John, and he has created a few textures for us. He's busy with real life though, and rather burned out from working on Deus Ex/ Thief DS/ Thief 2X textures, so I don't think we'll see that many more textures from him...at least not for awhile.

 

At the moment, I don't really think textures will slow us down very much now...we've managed to find a good core of strong modelers who make fantastic textures. Where we could use help right now, is with extra coders.

[Springheel]

....and sound effect creators.

 

We've got a great collection of ambient music now, but we badly need people who can record basic sound effects, like walking on different surfaces, impact sounds, etc.

[Nyarlathotep]

Where we could use help right now, is with extra coders.

Really, now? Would you accept someone who only has experience in Java and Python, so long as he were willing to learn what would be necessary? If so, I'd love to help out.

[Crispy]

You can definitely apply! Send New Horizon a PM and he'll set you up as an applicant.

 

C++ is more complicated than either Java or Python, but you probably wouldn't need to do anything too heavy-duty. And there are lots of things that can be done with Doom 3 scripting (it has C-like syntax, which will be somewhat familiar to you from Java; there are some minor differences, but they're easily learnt).

[Nyarlathotep]

Awesome. I already have a decent idea of the major differences between Java and C--although I don't yet know how to put them to good use. I was more worried that you wouldn't want to put up with someone so ignorant as me (on C++ and D3-scripting). I guess I should send NH a pm, then, eh?

Edited January 2, 2007 by Nyarlathotep

[MadhatteR]

And thus my ignorance paid off in some way ... cant say I can help you much, my programming skills don't go much further then web design. Which is a bummer, I would gladly help you were I can, but it seems that you have that angle pretty well covered.

 

greetz

[Mr Retarded]

....and sound effect creators.

 

We've got a great collection of ambient music now, but we badly need people who can record basic sound effects, like walking on different surfaces, impact sounds, etc.

 

I thought NH was handling everything in terms of sound, but this is something I could possibly help out in a bit. I don't want to add my name to any lists, but if I have some sounds that I feel might be usable, would someone be willing to give them a listen? Is there a list of sounds you're after?

[Springheel]

NH is handling all the dialogue, but not sound fx as far as I know.

 

What we especially need are impact sounds for different types of objects.

 

1. Footstep sounds on varied surfaces (stone, tile, grass, wood, metal, etc)

 

2. Impact sounds of varied objects hitting varied surfaces (stone object hitting stone, tile, grass; metal object hitting stone, stile, grass, etc, etc)

 

3. Other sounds you would expect a game like Thief to need--collapsing bodies, sword strike sounds, arrow impact sounds, etc.

 

If you've got anything like that, we'd be happy to listen to them. Right now we're mostly using D3 default sounds, which are not particularly good.

[Mr Retarded]

All right then. I've got to do some SFX recording so I'll see what I can whip up.

 

I assume you want them in .wav form?

[Springheel]

Either .wav or .ogg format is used in D3.

 

I'm not really a sound guy though, so maybe they'll chime in.

[Gildoran]

This probably isn't relevant towards most types of sounds, but there is a distinction between the two formats... According to the id sdk site, ogg files shouldn't be used to shake the screen.

[Ishtvan]

I think we also like OGG because they're smaller files.

 

We can always convert them later, but from the iddevnet site:

 

Valid sound files are 1 or 2 channel, 16 bit OGG or WAV files at 11025, 22050 or 44100 Hz.

 

Sound effects should not be in stereo btw, since that will make them omnidirectional sounds ingame and impossible to locate by listening.

[saxmeister]

Sound effects should not be in stereo btw, since that will make them omnidirectional sounds ingame and impossible to locate by listening.

 

.OGG is great for the file size!

There are some sound specs for the project over in the sound/sfx threads.

The only place we use stereo files is for ambients (which would be considered non-directional).

Everything else is in mono format.

[Chi Haotian]

....and sound effect creators.

 

We've got a great collection of ambient music now, but we badly need people who can record basic sound effects, like walking on different surfaces, impact sounds, etc.

 

Will you not be using the original sounds from T1 and T2?

[sparhawk]

Since this is not a FM for Ta or T2 we can't.

[New Horizon]

Will you not be using the original sounds from T1 and T2?

 

First and foremost, that would be illegal. Secondly, it's illegal...and finally...the sounds are old and over compressed to even be considered for use.

[Chi Haotian]

I hope the new sounds will be clear, loud and realistic like the original ones. I played T2X and realized that a single poorly recorded sound (especially if it's recurring) can reduce immersion and enjoyment of the gameplay.

[New Horizon]

I hope the new sounds will be clear, loud and realistic like the original ones. I played T2X and realized that a single poorly recorded sound (especially if it's recurring) can reduce immersion and enjoyment of the gameplay.

 

We use only the best. Our sound guys are pros in their field, they haven't let us down yet.

[sparhawk]

The testmaps that I played so far really sound fantastic to me. So far the ambience was really enhanced by the sounds and did help a lot to set a good creepy mood. I hope that I'm not overnethusiastic, but I'm sure you will not be dissapointed.

[Gildoran]

I concur that the ambients are great, though we could really use some help with sound effects.

[sparhawk]

Yup! That's right.

[Domarius]

We use only the best. Our sound guys are pros in their field, they haven't let us down yet.

If he does say so himself. Heheh.

 

New Horizon is in charge of all voice acting, and is adamant (with good reason) that all sound must be recorded at the same quality as possible, and he's sourcing all the voice talent locally.

[demagogue]

the sounds are old and over compressed

 

Not to mention way over-used. Man, one of the backdoor best things about TDM is that we get fresh assets, because even if the gameplay might not get old, hearing m03chimes and seeing victwal1 for the gazillionth time sure as hell can.

Edited January 24, 2007 by demagogue