Stained glass?

[Tobias]

Has anybody made a level with stained glass? If so could you please post some screenshots?

[Gildoran]

I'm not sure if you would consider this stained glass, but these are from our screenshots page:

(screenshot 1)

(screenshot 2)

(screenshot 3)

Rest assured that stained glass is feasible.

[sxotty]

I'm not sure if you would consider this stained glass, but these are from our screenshots page:

(screenshot 1)

(screenshot 2)

(screenshot 3)

Rest assured that stained glass is feasible.

Those shots don't really show the color on the floor though. Heck I remember a Q1 mod that did that .

[Springheel]

Those shots don't really show the color on the floor though. Heck I remember a Q1 mod that did that

 

Coloured, projected lights are easy to do, it's just that no one has used one in a map yet (perhaps because we don't have good stained glass textures).

[Tels]

Coloured, projected lights are easy to do, it's just that no one has used one in a map yet (perhaps because we don't have good stained glass textures).

 

The problem with that is that you need to have a good texture for the stained glass window and a light texture. I was working on that with my glass stuff, but I couldn't seem to fit a church window into my old mill, so I left it at that

 

(The reason why you need a projected light texture is that D3 does not have translucent objects cast shadow or colored shadows at all - so you need to use a fake projected light for it. This is easy for "single" color windows, as you can combine a black/grey/white light texture and some color, but for a stained glass window you need a new texture)

 

Anyway, check out the second room in maps/test/glass.map (after svn update!) and tell me what you think

[Springheel]

Anyway, check out the second room in maps/test/glass.map (after svn update!) and tell me what you think

 

This is public thread, and I doubt sxotty has access to SVN. Perhaps a screenshot would be more helpful.

[Tels]

This is public thread, and I doubt sxotty has access to SVN. Perhaps a screenshot would be more helpful.

 

Sorry. Here you go:

 

 

Note: The colors (and the shape, of course) of each glass element can be set in the editor. The glass is translucent, too. (You don't see that as the wall behind the window is uniform black

 

Only downside is that the glass does not cast a colored shadow.

[demagogue]

Only downside is that the glass does not cast a colored shadow.

 

That's something you could hack in pretty easily, though, isn't it?

I mean like using invisible colored spotlights in front of it, hitting the ground to give the illusion of colored backlighting (can lighting have a texture when it hits a surface?).

 

In dromed, some people just put a translucent texture on the ground in front of it, and that looked pretty good ... it just wouldn't cast a shadow if you walked over it like spotlights. But if you didn't care about the shadows, you could do it.

Edited November 15, 2007 by demagogue

[Springheel]

hat's something you could hack in pretty easily, though, isn't it?

I mean like using invisible colored spotlights in front of it, hitting the ground to give the illusion of colored backlighting.

 

Exactly.

[Mr Retarded]

I imagine individual lights for each section of glass could be pretty resource hungry, unless I misunderstood.

[Springheel]

It would just be a single light. You can create your own light shaders, which are essentially textures that tell the light what colour/shape to be.

[Mr Retarded]

Oh right. My bad.

 

Haven't done any mapping since Jedi Knight.

[SneaksieDave]

Yep just do this.

http://www.doom3world.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6314

[Tels]

Here is how that would look in game:

 

 

Please excuse the crappy example texture and the slightly misalignment

[Komag]

Ah, this is nice and promising, I LOVE The Dark Mod!!!

[demagogue]

Yeah, for crappy (and funny) example , that gives us a great idea of the cool potential for this right away. Excellent.

Edited November 16, 2007 by demagogue

[Dunedain]

Can't wait to see a stained glass window in a Hammerite cathedral in a fan mission. The screen shot below looks great, love that deep blue in the windows, looks sooo good!

 

http://www.mindplaces.com/darkmod/screen33.jpeg

[Macsen]

Does that light project onto AI and objects too?!

[STiFU]

Yep just do this.

http://www.doom3world.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6314

 

Do you know whether it's possible to have the imaginary lightsource (e.g. the sun) not lighting straight into the window but from a different horizontal degree? This always bothered me in T3ED. It didn't seem to be possible. (And it always sucked to know, that your projected lighttextures are unrealistic) I made a quick sketch to illustrate what I mean here...

[sparhawk]

IMO it should be able to project anywhere. You can specify where the light should fall. And yes, it is projected onto all surfaces, including AI and other objects.

[Tels]

IMO it should be able to project anywhere. You can specify where the light should fall. And yes, it is projected onto all surfaces, including AI and other objects.

 

Yes, thats true. But in praxis, it is quite hard to get the projected light "right", e.g.:

 

Imagine you have a light shining through the window, so you get a bright rectangle. Now you replace the window with some colored glass, and setup a fake light that matches the original light. Since you have to setup the fake light manually, it is really hard to set it up so it ends the same - you notice in my example, that the fake light isn't properly aligned and projects where it should.

 

It would be cool if you could just draw a rectangle on the floor and tell the editor to create a light that covers exactly this area...

 

However, in some case this is even good, as you can fake stuff - f.i. I have a moon light that "looks" correct, but actually shines from the wrong way on the floor - but the projection makes it looking correct. If the player can't spot the difference, well, there isn't anyone

[sparhawk]

It"s not hard to do this in Doom. Essentially you can use a texture and then paint it black and white, which will be the projection. I don't know if you can use colours as well, but apparently you can if Tels used this method.

[Tels]

It"s not hard to do this in Doom. Essentially you can use a texture and then paint it black and white, which will be the projection. I don't know if you can use colours as well, but apparently you can if Tels used this method.

 

Yep, that's how it is done. Creates really nice efffects, if you don't overdo it

[demagogue]

but actually shines from the wrong way on the floor - but the projection makes it looking correct. If the player can't spot the difference, well, there isn't any

 

Unless he or an AI walks over it, the shadow would face the wrong direction.

But even that probably won't be too noticeable.

Edited November 16, 2007 by demagogue

[SneaksieDave]

I'm trying to remember, but I think the ones in TDS were so limited (and crappy) because they were faked.

 

Yes, you can simulate parallel light from whereever in Doom3/TDM. You use a parallel light and drag the origin around where you want it to start. Windows can look correct, in other words.