sleeping pose needs modifying

[Fidcal]

The sleeping pose needs modifying. Currently the back is slightly arched and he floats slightly. If anything, the head should curve up. In this image I have made the bed solid 0 and inserted a nodraw solid cloth so he sinks slightly and more naturally. But because of the back arch and because the head is laying flat (as it would on the ground) his head is buried totally in the pillow. I moved him down here to offset this but you can see if his head was fully at the pillow position it would disappear.

 

I think if we can get rid of the back arch and give the head a tiny raise just a bias in the right direction. Not much because they also need to sleep on level ground. Then we need the bed models to have lower pillows I think we can work it.

 

[squill]

The sleeping pose needs modifying. Currently the back is slightly arched and he floats slightly. If anything, the head should curve up. In this image I have made the bed solid 0 and inserted a nodraw solid cloth so he sinks slightly and more naturally. But because of the back arch and because the head is laying flat (as it would on the ground) his head is buried totally in the pillow. I moved him down here to offset this but you can see if his head was fully at the pillow position it would disappear.

 

I think if we can get rid of the back arch and give the head a tiny raise just a bias in the right direction. Not much because they also need to sleep on level ground. Then we need the bed models to have lower pillows I think we can work it.

 

 

Is it only on this model or does it look the same on all characters?

[Fidcal]

it varies in degree but most have this arch to some extent. I would have to set up some better tests to get a more precise idea - my test map they are in the dark and on the floor so hard to fly down and get an ideal view. But that nobleman shows it the worse but he was the only one on an actual bed. I didn't bother with the others because I am basically just rough sanity testing AI and including that they do the sleep action at all. I wonder if it is that the AI is supported by the cm on the back and the head/shoulders and legs hang down somewhat? Or is it a fixed pose?

 

Another problem is that if they have a sword sticking out backwards it may lift them up. Ideally we want them to be as flat as possible on the back and sink slightly into the surface to look realistic. One way is to make the bed non-solid and put a nodraw solid inside slightly lower. But with this arch then their head and boots disappear into the bed. If they can't be flat I'd rather they be biased the other way and sink in at their centre and their heads be a bit higher. Then if we had models with low pillows it might be OK.

[Tels]

In the medival times it was very common for a long time period to sleep in a sitting pose, anyway.

 

Google failed to give me any images on that, but I saw tons of these beds (build into a sort of cupboard) in Holland. I do have a few private photos and a few picture cards with them, gonna upload them some time later to my gallery.

 

So we could also have sit-and-sleep animations.

[squill]

I saw tons of these beds (build into a sort of cupboard) in Holland. I do have a few private photos and a few picture cards with them, gonna upload them some time later to my gallery.

 

I live in Holland but trust me we don't sleep in cupboards But i think i know what you mean, they are a kind of build in wall closet beds in which you can sleep upright with your back against the walls.

[Tels]

I live in Holland but trust me we don't sleep in cupboards But i think i know what you mean, they are a kind of build in wall closet beds in which you can sleep upright with your back against the walls.

 

I said "in medivial times". I somehow thought Holland already left these times behind

 

Edit: Oops, I forget the "in medivial times" part in my sentences about Holland

[Springheel]

This is still a problem if anyone has time to look at it.

 

Ideally, the spine2 joint and head would be lifted up a bit, and the hips lowered.

[squill]

i would look at this if i didn't get an error message once i try to update:

 

Error Working copy "../darkmod" locked

Error Please execute the "Cleanup" command

 

but the cleanup command give me another error msg box "..fms/gather/darkmod.txt is not under version control"

 

edit: removing the corrupted map seems to fix the problem. Updating now

[squill]

i've updated the sleeping pose.

[Springheel]

Great, thanks Squill.

[Fidcal]

Yes, thanks. I'll try to look at this tomorrow.

[Fidcal]

Thanks, this is just about perfect now. I'll deal with the floating problem in another thread.

 

[squill]

ok cool. Also seeing them laying like this it would be nice to see them roll on their side from time to time as an idle animation. But that might be for after the release.

[Springheel]

Looks a lot better now Squill, thanks