Harder maps!

[DingDong]

I dunno if I will get to map any time soon, but in my opinion maps need to be epically difficult on expert. I remember on expert some maps in Thief 1 took literally hours to complete and when I was done it was so satisfying. I think mappers for this mod definitely should strive towards that sort of thing. Also, I already mentioned it but I hope for some convincing undead, undead are always a bit harder due to the psychological stress they cause.

Edited October 19, 2009 by DingDong

[Mortem Desino]

If you're equating "Harder" to "More difficult": It seems to me that people who truly want to ghost through a level often prefer to use their own yardstick instead of depending on what their PC or Mapper defines as ghosting. I'd hate to be sneaking through a level when the screen suddenly shows "Mission Failed" for what seems to be no reason at all.

 

If you're equating "Harder" to "Longer": Beta mappers have shown that TDM can definitely handle humongous maps. No worries there!

[LeatherMan]

There is a map in testing now that has a "no alerts" objective for Expert mode. IOW, ghosting is required, and I enjoyed playing it that way. There is no telling if it will still have that objective at release, though.

[Crispy]

Undead are planned, they just didn't make 1.00 due to time constraints.

[demagogue]

Yes, there are some FMs coming up that have pretty challenging bits (and undead); they're coming. But also it's still early on, to say the least! I think as mappers start to understand the new AI and systems better, they'll figure out how to create some very challenging FMs.

[DingDong]

<br /><font size="1">If you're equating &quot;Harder&quot; to &quot;More difficult&quot;</font>: It seems to me that people who truly want to <b>ghost</b> through a level often prefer to use <i>their own</i> yardstick instead of depending on what their PC or Mapper defines as <b>ghosting</b>. I'd hate to be sneaking through a level when the screen suddenly shows &quot;Mission Failed&quot; for what seems to be no reason at all.<br /><br /><font size="1">If you're equating &quot;Harder&quot; to &quot;Longer&quot;</font>: Beta mappers have shown that TDM can definitely handle humongous maps. No worries there!<br />

<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I always ghost myself and I have beaten most missions in thief 1-2 ghosting on expert as well as the maps for this mod. What I mean is think of something like the thief's guild in Thief gold where you had to do some careful observation of patrols to just barely get by guards/open locks and where you had to do some nifty rope arrow placement/moss arrow placement to get by some guards. That's what I mean, where it's hard to ghost.

 

<br />Yes, there are some FMs coming up that have pretty challenging bits (and undead); they're coming. But also it's still early on, to say the least! I think as mappers start to understand the new AI and systems better, they'll figure out how to create some very challenging FMs. <img src='http://forums.thedarkmod.com/public/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /><br />

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Good stuff, I want something REALLY challenging.

Edited October 19, 2009 by DingDong