Samael

I have grasped what you have said. I just wanted to say that to me it's not making much sense if you dont make an open world where the player can/must eat or pay rent. Otherwise whats the point? All you do then is size down some of the loot you get for the next mission to buy equipment. If I as the player do not get the possibilty to pay the rent, to buy food or to get entertained, then what is my motivation to steal more loot if it will be taken away for stuff where i am not actively involved in anymore? I don't mind really that the scales of prices and loot you buy the equipment with are dropped down a bit, but what i mean is i want to have the free choice to do all the buying with the other stuff like going into shops (like in thief 3) but not necessarily into the black market all the time.

If you intend to give the player the chance to buy food , to get entertained and to bribe people andsoforth, you can set the prices that low. Otherwise this doesn't make any sense and seems more like an economy project for a politics course in school. To the topic about the arrows : For all we know Garrett buys his equipment in a Black Market shop ( see Thief 3) so naturally the prices would be higher because of the risks of the shopkeepers. So maybe hunters had some kind of licence and could buy them 10 for a penny. Or maybe hunters carved their own arrows. Or there aren't even any hunters because "The City" is so huge anyway and people never leave town, because the forests are trickster and pagan territory. So maybe it wasn't the intention of Looking Glass to make a world that is perfectly sensible anyway because even then in the huge city you'd need thousands of hunters to supply the people. And the water arrows? Well first of all you never find exactly water arrows in the game, you only find the crystals and as far as i know reading some book by victoria in Constantines Mansion the crystals seem to form at places with high presence of the element, like water crystals forming themselves in water, moss arrows in earth and fire arrows naturally in fire. And then again you can only buy them in Black Market stores. But as i have seen in the Dark Mod the water arrows there are an artificial invention and not made by nature like the crystals...wouldn't that make them even more expensive? About Garrett being able to make more money by raiding equipment shops: Well I guess you are right. But Looking Glass certainly didn't want a perfectly consistent game in everything I think. They cared about the gameplay and most of all the plot and it worked out perfect. To the idea in general : I was wondering about the small amount of money the items cost too. As long as the mod will be consistent in itself thought it's fine. It would be nice if you'd have a free world sort of, where you actually can buy entertainment and food andsoforth, otherwise I see no point in cutting away 80-90 % of the loot you stole beforehand. And i wouldn't like to steal a lot of loot just to get it cut away again anyway, or having to calculate while playing how much of the loot i'll keep for buying items. As long as it's consistend and well made i'm alright with the idea but just don't get to much lost in economical principles, because thief definitely was never an economically correct game anyway. It's like building a house on sand otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I am really admiring the mod and the overall greatness of the Dark Mod. (I can't stop playing it really) I'm just trying to give my views on the subject here.

Well I guess you're going to laugh - it's an NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE. But i restarted the Chalice mission and saved a few times, overwriting the old savegames from that mission and lo! it worked. I completed the mission without any major malfunctions. I'll try Patently Dangerous sometime again but right now i don't feel like going through that abominable stress of a load-time again. Seems that it's only bad in that mission.

Why thank you. I just downloaded this gamex86.dll file and put it in the darkmod folder and now i'll try if that will help it. My PC has 1 GB RAM and quick loading and saving worked as I said perfeclty on the Training Mission. Thanks i'll write again if it still doesn't work. EDIT: Great. Now i tried the "Chalice" mission and i saved once or twice without any problems whatsoever it even saved quickly, but then i saved a third time and the game crashed and an icon popped up in the windows bar stating something about not having enough virtual memory(?). Whenever i start to load up that savegame the game just crashes. So what now?!

Well now it's running and it's ok - I played the Training Mission and it worked alright, it didn't freeze while opening doors and it saved and loaded quite quickly. But now i have started playing "Patently Dangerous" and when i save it takes more than 60 seconds and loading is equal to that or even longer. And since i have to fight some dude and i the combat system is driving me insane i have to load, and load and load...Any suggestions? I mean saving and loading worked perfect during the training mission. What do i have to do now?

Well after looking around in the topic that Mortem Desino showed me here i did what some user did there too and that was to uninstall Doom 3, reinstall it without Resurrection of Evil, patch it correctly and THEN put on darkmod and now it *seems* to be working. I'll post if anything still won't work. Thanks for all your help.

Sorry but I do not use Steam.

And then put it where?

Well I see that i'm supposed to change the format of some document in the training mission from 0 to 1 but the only data i find in the training_mission is "darkmod" , "readme" , "startingmap" and "training_mission.pk4" and in there i cant change what is said in the thread you showed me.

Hello, I have Doom in the correctly patched version and i have directed the darkmod folder into the Doom 3 folder and i can also run the darmod by starting up Doom 3 and then clicking on the "mods" menu. But as soon as i start the mod, the normal Doom 3 load screen pops up where it says "initializing menues" and stuff like that and then all i get is the sound and a black screen. I can't even see the menu! I just get the cursor and the sound. Can anyone help me with that problem?