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he said someone with Visual Studio (didn't say which version it'd have to be or if it'd have to be VS NET) and Maya 6.5 could recompile it. The source for the Doom 3 Maya importer is located here

No, not yet Can't understand wtf is happening with it. I also contacted iddevnet about when a 6.5 exporter would happen, they said they wont be doing one anytime soon cause they don't have maya 6.5 yet. Suggested for someone in the community to recompile it. I would but i wouldn't have a clue how to. I'm eager too , but I haven't had much spare time recently, i've been rewritting my auto rigging script mostly.

This isn't Unreal engine. It's Doom 3. Menus, weapon readouts, monitors and HUDs are done with GUIs (a far better system than any other for creating such GUIs).

ah i remember Constantine's walk animation from Thief 1. Man it was terrible! :lol:

Same crash. This is getting freaking annoying. I'll try again when i get home and reinstall doom 3

the dll's in the base directory. In the doom 3 console (in the game menu). i typed exportModels urich (well, expor+tab+space+u+tab+enter). Just then i tried the same thing in Radiant. Same crash the def should've had the destination directory all set up, right? This was in the def: options -sourcedir models/mymodels -destdir models/md5/ulrich. I creaetd a mymodels dir under models, and a ulrich dir under mdoels\md5. Texture doesn't matter, right?

I did the env variable at home, but forgot here. Tried it and it still crashed. Also, at home when it crashes doom 3 just crashes and no messages come up. At work, i get a maya fatal error and it attempts to save the scene in a temp location in an .ma (i sometimes get this same error whe using maya when it crashes). BTW, i never had a problem with Deep Exploration and getting it to work with maya files. Had a problem with it trying to get it to work with max files though. Oh yeah, it's version 1.0.1282

Crashed *sigh*. I put the MB files in the directories according to the def file, btw.

No, i don't have access. You could email it to me to tbrooks@bluetongue.com

Fu-uck oDDity, what version of Maya are you using? My version 6 is 6.0.1. Maybe the version 6 MayaImportx86.dll only works for 6.0

Ok, i think my copy of Doom was buggered. R_gamma wasn't doing anything and in radiant, there were a ton of error messages. My copy at work seems to run everything fine. So i'll reinstall it when i get home. I'm gonna do an exportModel test with my work copy in a bit...

ATM, i just want to be able to export without it crashing. BTW, does anyone know how to prevent the desktop becoming so overbright in the event D3 crashes?

Can someone just give me a quick run down of how to get an animated model from Maya to Doom 3. Like what you need in the maya scene, what you need in the Def file, what you need to display the model in doom 3, etc. ATM whenever i try exportModel with a def file of just 1 model and 1 anim command, it crashes (and fucks up my desktop, what's more. You know, just like when you have doom 3 windowed and the desktop is super bright). It's a maya 6 model and i'm using the maya 6 importer dll.

Ok, i think you're making this a little more complicated than it aught to be. You'd only need a flowing curtain if it's an unfolded curtain near an open window. If it's a curtain that blocks rooms (like they had in that level in Thief 2 where you're casing the joint), or is a tied up curtain, or things like hanging ropes, chandeliers, or any hanging thing, it needs no animation and an AF would be easy to use for it. And then we could possibly get the AI to recognise and notice usually still objects moving (say you move through a curtain and it's still swaying when when the guard comes and he could get suspicisous). A nice thing about Doom 3's AFs is that they don't keep flopping around the place like other rag dolls. They become still after a while.

Sure, i can use 6 (6.5's improvments are more in the modelling and performance and rendering side. Although the new constrain blending feature is really handy. And you FINALLY specify a custom playback speed in frames per second), but it'd be nice if someone were to recompile it for 6.5. Who knows when/if iD will do it.

By order or request (i'm not sure which ) of oDDity, i'll take over this. Gives me a chance to test out my rigging script on another model . BTW, do you have the normal and/or specular maps?

Sure By the way. There isn't an importer for Maya 6.5 yet. Do any programmers have maya 6.5 and could they recompile the importer? The source is available at iddevnet.com

As i said, you cannot loop a procedural effect like that, without altering most of the animation by hand. That's not a good thing. Can you imagine having 100+ bones just for a world object? Sure we have a decent amount of bones to play with, but not that much. Firstly, i can get decent looking deformation with bones. Secondly, it's not going to be animated. It'd be a Doom 3 Articulated Figure. A rag doll. The tied up curtain, for instance, will sit their inanimate until you walk into it, come in contact with the physics collision of the bones and it'd move accordingly. Again, the bone count (if using this convert vertex to bone thing) would be horrendous. Setting up a bone facial rig will be easier, faster, and only a little memory and performance hit ingame. If you want to do blend shape facial animation, you need a propper system, built for the engine like HL2's.

For the curtains and ropes, it wouldn't be an animation, it'd be a rag doll (Articulated Figure) so that it'll react to you walking into it. With the facial animation, it'd be awesome to have it on the guards, when they mutter to themselves (I'd love to lip sync to the original Thief guard mutterings sounds ) or even when they walk into a dark area they their eyes could get wider as their eyes adjust. A ton of possibilities. Thief is the perfect game for such a thing because you really have the chance to get up close to your enemies without them noticing.

Hold on, no they wouldn't change size, since the HUD is a GUI. GUIs keep a constant scale on the screen no matter what the res, right?

Wouldn't be very time consuming. If someone makes a static mesh that could possibly become an AF, wouldn't take too long it make it one. BTW, just FYI, looking at the Imp maya binary file that comes with the Doom SDK, there are 70 bones in the imp, not including the wings and foot controller bones which i dunno if they're used ingame. Since we're dealing with a PC game, memory isn't such a problem as a gamecube or PS2 game. Also, this is just the imp, no bones for facial animation here like the human characters.

Um... Doom 3 doesn't do that, does it? Quake 3 didn't. The last game i recall to do that was Unreal 2.

Vertex animations for cloth movement can be very hard (if you use a procedural effect you cannot loop it without practically redoing most of the animation. One vertex at a time) in which case it's best to just bone it. It's what was done at work and it turned out alright, but if a few more bones were used (i reckon 5 would've done) it would've been better. As for cloth simulation, well acctually i had it in mind for world objects, things like curtains (no characters have drapped cloth, yes?). Such things can really bring the envrionment to life and help immersion. But then again we may again not need cloth simulation where bones and Doom 3's Articulated Figures (ragdolls) could work, for instance a hanging rope, chandelier or i could even set up a tied up curtain as a ragdoll using a minimum of, i reckon 5 or 6 bones.

Ah i see what you mean about the rope. I think it'd have to be normal first person camera, no player shadow (incedently, how difficult would it be to get the AI to recognise the player shadow and would it ruin gameplay?) and no mirrors for this to work propperly, first off. Then later down the track, player model animations for mirror and player shadows. Then further still, maybe an attempt at "body awareness". And i'm relieved about the cutscenes although i prefer Thief style cutscenes over any ingame one. I really loved that style and it didn't break the immersion.

Well, i like to be reminded of what arrow i have equipped (because you can't see it unless drawing the bow). Not that necessary for the sword or blackjack because you can see it. Exactly.