Thanks guys! downloading now.... Now only if I could get my visportals in a huuuuge open (no doors) cathedral to show up. I have them blended (touching) worldspawn brushes, closing off areas, etc, but they won't even show up after r_showportals 1 in the console. They work on the door method, however. No green/red outlines, except for the single visportal in a (non doored) hallway leading to the cathedral. Hope that made sense Thanks again, will be posting pics soon GC