hey thanks for the feed back dark, i appreciate it. those are not final i can fine tune them after we agree if that is a sound we want (i use numerous ways to get my sounds: record myself, use my synth, use some samples and overlap other sounds then loop them too). and that gulp test was just that, a test, the gulp should be done by new horizon anyway, since he is handeling the voices. i would like to atually take the factory one, and add some slight strings or a small piano chord into the mix to add some variety. i also plan on going to my work to record sounds from there in the near future (probably within a month, ill have to get clearence to bring in a mic setup ) thanks again peace LB