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When you rightclick on the grid he'll be under the char subset...char_marine_asian_chair1. Most of the models have swappable heads, and since I haven't figured out how to plant one on yet I had to leave him headless. And it'll still take awhile to do all the props, everything you're seeing here is fairly simple stuff. I won't be nearly as quick once I start getting into really high detailed victorian furniture

Wow, I'm impressed with what you've been able to do. Maybe it WON'T take half a year just for the models. Hey, where did that headless guy come from in the pic?

I could make a few props, mostly simple stuff like beds and tables since I'm only an intermediate at most when it comes to working with 3DSMax. It'd be a good learning experience for me and it'd help out the project a bit since, like Fingernail said, we're short on 3D modellers at the moment. Also, has anyone here heard of Speedtree? I've been using it to make some excellent low poly tree models (example heah), you can't get much simpler than this.

Well, Kyo, speaking for myself I think it'd be rather nice for you to get to work on the non-human character models - burricks, spiders, zombies, and suchlike. I'd ask springheel or one of our other concept artists to knock you up some sketches for it. Good to have you with us!

Sounds good. I'll pay that some attention as I go. Things like the armour on the boots, or the shape of the gauntlets, etc. I'll make so that the elite versions have obvious differences from the norm, but can still be based on the same models.

Maus, Please understand that we're not rejecting you, we're just interested in seeing some more thief style artwork, and particularly computer modeling work. You obviously have excellent artistic ability, and your sculpture is quite impressive. Meanwhile, you can show us some of your other stuff by uploading them to a free service. Not a great permanent solution, but it will work to at least show us some things. Try www.deviantart.com or www.photobucket.com to upload some images that you can then link here. (Note that you should link the images and not place them in-line on the forum page.) If you want to get your hands dirty with some quick models or concept sketches, here are a couple suggestions: Concept sketches of architecture, furniture, in game objects, and decorations. Concept sketches of level design elements; scenes containing guards and the thief, for instance, that convey the mood and setting of a level Concept sketches of characters and designs for builders, guards, pagans, zombies, or the thief. Modeling any of the above; untextured is probably fine. A textured model might be nice to view your skills at that also. Keep in mind that we're looking for an appropriate style for concept sketches. Style isn't quite as important for modeling, but it still plays a factor. If you are unfamiliar with the kinds of things we're looking for, make sure you've played through at least the first couple Thief games

I have more art examples then what you can see at my VCL archive, the problem is I have no place to up load work at this time! Yes I like the Japanese styles of art but if you look at: http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Maus/...ptsSketches.jpg I think you will see I can do just about any stile that is needed. The problem with the VCL archive is they have content restrictions on the types of art that can be uploaded: only Furry Art. This stuff is more of my hobby art it’s like my favorite pastime (other then being a pervert, lol). If you don’t think I can pleas test my skills and ask me to drawl something for your project. As fare as modeling and animating go I am not as experienced but I assure you I am very good with sculpture: http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Maus/...01-by-date.html and 3D modeling. As I have mentioned I have no place to up load this stuff. I could send an email with some other art and 3D models if you want to see what I am capable of. I will have to spend some time at home scanning and prepping my other work to show you. Because I cant really use office time and equipment on personal projects. But they do let us getaway with some surfing and non company emails. But I am going to spend the money and get an ISP so I can up load more of my work to show you better what I can do. I have been trying to save money so I could up grade my computers (I need to get a MS SQL server to test/develop my database code for my personal project). Most of what I am working on now in my free time is managing large dynamic persistent environments, which can be streamed over the web, searched, ext... Well at any rate if you would like me to prove my self by just jumping rite in to the modeling or art asset generation pleas feel free to test me! I see working with your teem as a chance to diversify my portfolio and grow more skilled as an artist! But if my willingness to work for free isn’t enough I will be glad to take the time to get my portfolio site back together and pay to host it online so to compel or prove to you that I am a talented and creative artist. that would like to help with your Thief style project. Regards, Maus

Sketch me a face indeed - great timing, as I just dug out an ancient, terrible model of a head that I was working on when I first got into character modeling. It was a horrible model for a normal person, as its facial features were way too thin, and most character models are Action Hero type people. For a thief, tho, it's great. And on the awesome side, I made a fantastic nose. Hell yes. So, yeah, knock up a quick face sketch for me please thx.

I'm gonna have to be wary of this editor. I just opened up my map and all the geometry was...gone. It's a good thing I had a backup cuz all I've lost was the fireplace, which is fairly easy to rebuild. I'm still trying to figure out how to add models and particle effects to the map. I can browse em, even found a few good fire effects and some candles like Springheel said, but I can't place em yet.

Since we started with this project I haven't heard anything about which license we will use. This is IMO quite an important decisision, as some memebrs may not want to use one license modell while others may and still others don't care. As we have seen in the case SCO against IBM this issue is NOT so trivial and can potentially affect everybody here. This is also important to protect our project against copyright claims or others ripping off. So I would suggest to discuss this BEFORE we start to create to much content and afterwards being dissatisfied with the decisions. One question: If we code for D3 what resctrictions are there for our mod? As with DromEd we had the restriction that all FMs had to be free and were not allowed to be commercially used without permission. I expect that a similar restriction exists for D3 mods (but then again it may not) so this already might affect the decision on which license model we can use. There are also other considerations, because if we choose i.E. GPL or any other open source compatible license model (there are several of them) we can register for services like webhosting, shell accounts, CVS services and others, which may not be available for closed source developments. I think it is better to use such existing services instead of relaing on private resources, because this gives us a major advantage. If there ever is a break in the private resources we will have to find new resources where to translocate them. If we use public resources, everybody has access and we don't need to worry over uptime or accessability or support. That doesn't mean that we can NOT use private resources as well, but it gives us many advantages for free and serves as a seamless backup. If this is comptable with D3 restrictions therfore I would suggest to use GPL/LGPL or a similar license model and I think there is also an Open Content license for art so we could put this there as well. Since this is a community project and we want to use community resources as well, I think this would be a fair decision. One reason why I also want to have this clarified is, to protect our work (I already have seen such a thing happen). If i.E. somebody writes a good AI code and suddenly decides that the code is so good that he no longer wants to offer it for free, then we are screwed. In this case we woould have to start from scratch and rewrite all this code from new. I don't want something like this to happen, so we really should decide an a license early on, so everybody knows what he can expect or not expect from the project. Of course this is also true for art (images, sound, models, levels, etc.), despite me writing mainly about code because I'm a programmer myself.

hm, what does "are released for free" mean ? can everybody use our textures, models and sounds in his mod or whatever he does ?? or do you just mean, that we can't sell them ?

That's perfectly fine for me, and what I really wanted to aim at. The question is if all the other members and the project lead is aware of this. What about models, textures and sounds and other stuff beside the code itself? I will download this and take a look at it.