That was all very neat. I wonder if it would me a good idea to start this thread fesh. If that is possible. I wish to ask a questions regarding Pagan. Will the Pagans be a polar opposite of the Builders like they where in thief ds? I always disliked how the universe of thief was Pagan vs. Hamarites. Maybe there could be a different way of thinking about it. the Pagans could actually be bad or evil not just opposing flavor of humanity that is just as wrong or just as right as the Builders, while the keepers balance them all. Maybe they could all have separate agendas but they are not opposing ideologies. You know not polar opposites. That is trite.