Ya know, for whatever it is worth, I *would* like to just add one thing to this discussion. This is something that applies to almost any place where people are talking about the various Thiefs these days. People often make comparisons to other sequels, both movies and games. Its like, Batman part 4 didnt have such and such in part 2 so... Thief cannot be compared to any other media. Thief: The Dark Project stands completely alone on many fronts. It is decidedly unique, and because it defined itself so explicitly, its taken years to unravel and enjoy every aspect of it. It set its own standard that Thief II improved upon and Deadly Shadow was a pretty fair forgery. The game was bonkers, but it had all the authentic key ingredients. Face it, whatever Looking Glass was holding sacred when they created Thief is only being held at face value in this new game. It makes little sense to compare Thief (4?), Thiefs 1 and 2, and Deadly to a bunch of other movie sequels. Thief is just one of those monumental games that you were meant to rip off and make a new inspired first person "simulator", not bastardize in the name of greed and money and self importance. But as someone pointed out either here or there or somewhere, the dreams that we had at the beginning of the 2000's just never came to fruition. So many agree upon that. Dont worry, folks. I wont be bothering you with this type of stuff very often if ever. I was just reading up on this forum since I am in the process of being eliminated from TTLG, and found this thread to be an uncensored place I could actually get away with just saying how I feel about this.