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I reckon with Fingernail's target platform suggestion, and Kappow's "low end" system, we (well, you guys, cause I don't have D3 just yet) could use the equivelant of the "show stats" feature and come up with some guidline figures to keep the complexity at, for people who are level editing. Good point Renzatic, if Doom 3 plays like Doom 2, with its hundreds of monsters at one time stuff, we should be able to make things look prettier than the original Doom3 levels in our Thief version.

Very nice, DO. Love the bag. I had a couple thoughts. Would it be easier on you if we had our character wear a balaclava over his lower face? It would save modelling the mouth and would be another way to visually keep our character looking different. It can be a good look too. May be controversial, but I thought I'd throw it out there. How often will the character's face come into play anyway? Also, I notice the edge of the armour has been modelled like a depression. My intention was that the edging be raised, almost like a seam. Probably not clear from the drawings. The way you've done it might be better anyway.

That brick texture reminds me - a lot of the normals we make should be based off of modelling, not painting. This is especially true of the complicated ones (the wood inlays come to mind). Modelling that inlay, then normal mapping it, would take about 20 minutes, and would get excellent results. This is how they got most of the really complicated metal textures in Doom3 (the ones with sockets and pipes and so on and so forth). Anyway, if you want me to knock some up, I will. Very easy project for me.

I can't really model (or draw) characters, but I figured I'd try my hand at it and see what I could come up with. I think you'll all agree that I've made quite an improvment on DeepOmega's already awesome Thief... HAAAAADOOOKEN!

Obviously I've been interested in this mod from the start but since I'm involved in some other issues I've not made any comments. The screens you've show so far are very nice. I don't recognise anyone on the team from other mods or FMs except ModeTwo from TUT and NB. How experienced are you guys? And how are you finding it? My main query is - what will you do if we get the TDS editor? There will be a bit of a software conflict with people making FMs for TDS whilst you guys work on this. Given that you have stated that this will only be out next year at the earliest do you not think that many of your ideas will be overtaken? Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to bring a negative vibe - I'm just being realistic. I don't have Doom3 and won't get it until XMas at the earliest (as that is probably when I'll get my new gfx card). I have a NB/TDS map/FM in the works. It's really a SP FM but I can adapt it to NB MP. If the TDS editor is released I will make it for that 1st. But now I have an MP version designed I want to take to NB eventually anyway. And if there is no TDS editor then I'd love to make it for The Dark Mod as that is the only way the real atmosphere and plot will come out. Can someone explain the SDK/editor score with Doom3? What comes with it and what can you DL? And what are it's limitiation, what is it's scope?

Okay, I've started resizing and once again have come to realise just how freakishly small everything is supposed to be in the game... 512x512 isn't a massive texture by UT2k4 standards....but Doom 3 shrinks everything down to an obscenely small size that we might as well reduce the sizes down to 256x256 just to make everything easier to fit... Just check this out... That's the actual size of the texture vs. how big it needs to be. An amazing difference if you ask me.

Needs to be cleaned up towards the center, it's obvious that the texture was flipped down the center and it looks a little weird. Beyond that it's good. I've started adding basic single color surfaces today, stuff that looks alot like Thief 3 textures actually. Kinda come to realise that we need to put some restriction cap in on this, otherwise we'll end up with a pk4 file that's almost a gig in size by the time we're done...I'm adding these things left and right just for variety. But anyway, it looks like this. We also need to resize these textures properly. Almost all of them are 512x512, which probably contributed to me oversizing my map. Thing is 256x256 makes it look sloppy and low res and the normalmapper doesn't like 384x384 for some reason...

Well if you guys know what you are doing the Doom3 SDK release will allow for some serious alterations. I guess it'll come down to the limitations of the engine and, more importantly, the AI. If there is no TDS editor then the Dark Mod makes perfect sense. But if there IS a TDS editor then SP FMs will be made for it and Nightblade is already waaaaay ahead of you guys for the MP. It depends on the way it is done though. You have to realise that there would be massive crossover.

Yeah, you nailed it. Whatever they did with the Thief 3 color scheme made it very drab and the same all over. The warmth is missing. I think a big part of this may have come from the way they had to share the same textures. The way they did it I was unable to replace the health meter with a hi-res version of the old shields. When I did the health meter texture appeared on health potions, hammer guards scepters and on a cat'o'nine tails. I was so disappointed.

Yeah! Sounds definitely good. The problem is, that I like both of this current lightgem solutions. Mine and the other one. The only problem I have with the other one is, that you have to place the compass somewhere and personally I prefer to have it always on and not as an inventory item. I don't think that this would intrude to much on the Thief style if we can keep the compass always on. Your suggestion sounds very good to me. If somebody of our artists could come up with a concept drawing this would be great to judge how it looks.

Hey, thanks for the texture. I think I might try and tackle your stained glass windows next and see what I can come up with. Pretty soon, counting both your textures and the ones I've done so far, I might have enough to make a good sized mockup map. But if you can, see if you can make some bumpmaps to help me out with. Photosourced textures usually need to be tweaked alot more than the Blade textures do, so it'd be alot faster if I had an extra hand doing em. Edit: Actually, it'd be a good idea if everyone making textures (which I think is just Blackthief, possibly Alexius, and I) were to get together and started organizing everything. It'll mean alot less work on down the road if we keep everything in order and pack the textures the same way and whatnot.

Of course I know that. I'm just saying that should this ever come far enough that it needs testing. I'm willing to do so if I have time.