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Ok, I've added a second version to the original post. What do you think?

I did this for Phantom a few weeks back, it'll tell you everything you need to know getting textures into the game...along with links to an indepth normalmapping tut. http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=101 It sounds like you've already found the proper way to add a light, you just didn't switch to the renderer so you could check it out in realtime. To do that just hit F3 to switch from the cam to the renderer, and then F4 to enable realtime updating so it'll apply all your lighting information. When you say premade room do you mean one of Id's maps? For that you'd have to find the name of the texture you wanna replace, open pak001.pk4, track it down in there, and replace the 3 dds textures with your custom one. But that could lead to some really funkified results cuz their texture could've been applied to the wall in some weird way which might stretch and distort yours out of proportions if it isn't the right size, it'd be better just to make your own simple room in the editor for testing purposes. To do that all you'd need to do is make a texture set and use a generic name like Wall_Test01 or something like that. Plop it in a certain folder for easy access like base/textures/darkmod/test, make the appropriate .mtr file, then build your room using it. If you like it you can just rename the 3 textures and move it somewhere else, if not you can just make another set with the same name and overwrite the ones you have in the test folder. The next time you reopen the editor it'll have the new textures already in place to check out. I do something somewhat similar to that. If I find something about the texture I don't like while I'm working in the editor, I'll close it and zip up the current files, change it to fix what needs fixing, then just overwrite the files with the new texture and fire up the editor again to check it out.

Hey, as soon as you get a floor in let me know and I'll post it on the website. I love the ceiling!

It's looking good, DO. You improve it each time. If you don't mind some more crits.... I think the nose is better but still a little too long. It also has a very strong slope...it should either be brought out more at the top or less at the bottom. Did you move the mouth and nose up as I suggested? If so I would do it a touch more...he needs more room for a stronger chin. The eyebrows and wrinkles are great. I think the bottom lip needs to be less wide horizontally. Male lips do not tend to stretch out to the very corner of the mouth. If it would be helpful I'll redline it...let me know.

god_is_my_goldfish, please post all art and comments related to noise arrows in this thread.

Upload it to the FTP server, make another folder called Screenshots and post to your hearts content.

More likely missing a thigh I'm afraid. *jay goes looking for a bit of paper to scribble on* Anatomy and Phisiology 101 Confusion arises because Human Beens are a bit odd. Our tarsus (we have a few so its tarsals) are in our feet. And we also walk on our feet, which is just daft. Just about everything else that isn't a monkey walks on their toes, not their feet. What looks like it might be a a back to front knee is actually the ankle. Like so. Oh and the bulging muscle on the Belcher's tarsus is back to front. You had it right in mini diagram where you compare scale to a human. So is the Belchers inflatable Belch sack going to be coloured (like a frogs) as if to attract a mate. Look everyone. Its a kitten. Notice the really long foot, the knee and thigh?

If possible, would you be able to load smaller images of the drawings and link to them with the tags in this thread rather than a listing of links? That'll make it easier to see the drawings. Springheel made this comment for some of my drawings a while back and I think it makes sense It helps to view them and compare them. For drawings that contain extreme detail, keep the smaller images, but link to the larger versions with http:// links. Just a thought. I'm on 56K dial-up and it takes a while for those images to load And yes, I like the drawings also, but I agree a joint might be missing in the hind legs. I haven't studied animals a lot so I usually mess up the structure of the hind legs myself because I haven't commited their joint and muscle structure to memory yet. But I have a book on drawing animals, and if we're to take the common structure of animal legs, then another joint should be drawn. There seem to be 4 main joints in each hind leg (starting at the hip, working down) for animals. (This might be easier to see in rams, deer, bulls, horses, etc.) It looks like your creature has 3 joints and would thus have some mobility stiffness to it. Not a bad thing, just a visual 'non sequitur' (does not follow) thing that I think people are picking up on.

Coloured armour was quite common. The reference pic was black and silver...I'll post it when I'm home from work.

Greetings Everyone! I wanted to start this thread on behalf of the DarkMod team to help keep our guests informed on our progress; to let them know there's DarkMod life in the project even when it may seem there is none -- and to keep them updated as such. There won't be a set schedule as to when this thread will be updated, but maybe check back from time to time. Anyone can post here and I'm sure you'll hear from other team members here in the future. Although many visitors might already have http://www.mindplaces.com/darkmod/index.htm bookmarked to see updates on screenshots and concept artwork, etc., some don't have it bookmarked and may not know about it. Other forums actually point to our site here and I figured there might be some benefit to providing occasional updates here via this forum, too. As an update for our guests out there, I can say that I've seen a LOT of activity from our team members behind-the-scenes on this DarkMod project. There are many discussions going on and a lot of concepts being worked on. As a team member with a primary focus on artwork, I've personally created a few concept drawings and have seen fellow artists showcase some very nice concepts. Our programmers, 3-D modellers, audio experts, etc. are also very active in these early stages of the project. I want to assure our guests that there's a lot of DarkMod life behind-the-scenes that you might not otherwise see from the outside. We have a long road ahead of us, but we have an enthusiastic group working on this and I'm confident you'll be happy with our DarkMod work once complete. Stay tuned, as I'm sure there will be many more updates in the future! Until then, may shadows continue to guide your journeys. Darkness_Falls

I'm no lawyer, but I can't image, that anybody has the copyright of old paintings. most of the artists are dead for hundrets of years...and as long as we don't claim the paintings as our own, no one will care. that's at least what I think. I totaly agree with you - the artwork of thief 3 is awefull. All paintings look similar and have a really bad resolution...

You raise a good point Sparhawk. Fewer people will be reading all of the threads. I'll volunteer to scan the art threads and post or PM to you any agreements that have been made.

As long as you don't make it a 1:1 copy it will be fine. Keeping the files that show the progress of the work, or keeping concept sketches also can be used to prove that you did not copy the work. Looking at the original art should be fine and I doubt that they can sue us about this. On a related note. If this would be possible, there wouldn't be a desktop for Linux looking like Windows 98 because Microsoft would have stopped this. So looking at it for inspiration is fine, but not taking it directly. Especially when you look at the concept art because the final model will look quite different then the concept art.

Or register here at the forums, so you can see the rest of the boards.

http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=159 The second post in this thread is the important one. The aim of this thread is to collect all information about what we want to do on a more detailed level but not TO detailed. So discussion about conecpt art should be here, but the information that this beast should be done shouild be posted there as well. You should also look through the document and add items in the lists, if you think that they should be included and I forgot them. For example: I listed a number texture themes and what each theme must provide for. If you notice that a theme, or a texture for a theme is missing, the list it, there so we can keep track of it. You don't need to be specific, but specific enough that we know what you are talking about. Of course even if you are an artist, that doesn't mean that you may not look through the other sections to check if we forgot something. If you decide here that you want to do a belcher but the coders don't know about this, you can not animate your model afterwards.

Same here. Please post such things in the Project definition thread as well. We need this information so we can start thinking about properties of the AI.

If you agree or decide something like that, then you should post it in my project definition thread, so we can include/remove it there. Not everybody is following all the threads, but we should all know about these things. That's why I started this thread. http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=159 Usually I don't look much into the Art threads, because I'm not an artist and can not contribute much there. So most of the time, when I look at these threads, I just look at the pictures and hope that the first mod is appearing fast because of the great graphics. But I don't read all the postings here. I guess there are others as well and we shouldn't rely on this when deciding what we want and what not. Especially since a thread has only a limited time and after that only few remeber it and what has been decided. Don't forget. If you decide something here, then the coders will also have to know about it, to give it life.

working on this right now, will be a little while before i post it up, though.

Please post all comments and concept art for the Belchers in this thread.

I have made threads for both Darkness Fall's craymen idea and god is my goldfish's Belcher concept. Please post anything regarding those projects in those threads only.

Darkness Falls will be working on creating a creature to fill the roll of Craymen/Kurshok. That is, a mysterious humamoid race to populate deep out of the way caverns or pagan areas. I would prefer leaning more towards the craymen than the Kurshok. DF, post any and all work related to this project in this thread, please.

I think you need to raise the nose and mouth a little bit. At the moment the face has very little chin, and the nose seems extra long. Here's a touchup to illustrate. I also thinned out the top lip a bit and gave him a more prominent browridge. I also made his cheekbones stand out just a bit more. Edit: After looking at this some more, I think I would raise the mouth up just a bit higher. Edit again: Ok, I've raised the mouth and made the bottom lip a little less wide.

Mechanics of lockpicking is discussed here http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showforum=14 and here http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=170. This thread is actualy only about the position of the locks. Or did you mean that? Not sure about this.

I just wanted to post this because I just remembered how strange this felt to me when I played T3. So PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don' t put the locks right in the middle of the door. It looks of for some doors, but mostly ist just looks weird and contreived. Just needed to put this of my mind.

I'll work on these. PS: I just posted a sample environmental scene in the Art section: http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showt...findpost&p=1795