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I'm running TDM 1.05. I just installed it in the last week. It may be in the map, I wasn't sure. I'll keep an eye out in other missions and see if its a recurring thing, if it is I'll bring it up again.

Something I've noticed playing No Honor Among Thieves - I knock someone out and stash their body nicely in a dark corner. I run around the rest of the map and maybe quicksave/load a few times, but when I come back through the area, their bodies are back out in the middle of the floor. I'd say I just forgot and loaded a save where I hadn't stashed them, but it happened with almost every person I knocked out. Sometimes it seemed like they were in the position where I knocked them out, or just somewhere on the way to their final destination. Has anyone else noticed this? I did a search and didn't come up with anything, but I wasn't even getting close to the same results so its likely been discussed. It wasn't a gameplay issue, but had the area not been dark enough already and an AI pathed through the area, it could have turned out badly.

Has anyone else noticed this or was that intentional? My standard thief configuration was to have always run on, with shift as creep and ctrl as crouch. I can set all these keys up, but when always run is turned on, creep doesn't do anything. I just finished school and am getting back into TDM and decided to play a few FM's to get ready to take another shot at mapping. The mod really turned out wonderfully. I doubt the mission has anything to do with the "problem", but I noticed it on the training mission and No Honor Among Thieves. Its not a big deal as I've almost gotten used to shift as run and ctrl as creep and x as crouch, but I figured I would ask anyways.

Hey Rich, glad to see you here! I learned the d3 editor a lot thanks to your tutorials! I don't really have anything to add to the topic, but I've not been around here as much lately so I hadn't seen you posting.

That is good advice, thank you. I need a lot more advice than I had previously thought

Thanks Komag She knows I'm doing it, and its adorable how she is acting disinterested, but notices when anyone votes and wants to know what forums I posted it on so she can read what people say, but passes it off as just curiosity.

Hi Guys! I'm having an "argument" with my girlfriend as to the quality of her art (with whom things are going much better, thanks in no small part to the great advice I got here not too long back). I created a poll on my "blog" that makes it incredibly easy (one click, no name no nothing) so if anyone is so inclined, check it out and give a quick thumbs up/down. This is hardly an extensive piece of work, just a cute little sketch she did for a webcomic she wants to make that she thought was terrible and I thought was adorable (the little drawing she did for me on the back made it all the more so, but I didn't post it yet). It took far too much wrangling than it should have to keep her from trashing it. Yes, you might point out the relative dumbness of this type of poll, but she's got low self-esteem (which I'm trying to fix), and if I can get a ton (a relative term) of people to vote on this, it might help. Visiting her DA (yeah, I know - link right at top of blog post) wouldn't hurt, even if you don't look through it. Very little there since she hides/destroys most of her stuff. Mod is looking great. Cant wait until summer so I can get back to mapping (not been my best semester...).

I loved that little graphic of the cathedral that was getting kicked down the steps when talking about how the mission layout went to hell in T:DS. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought T2 was the best of the 3. I love TDP of course, but TMA was just too much fun.

Cool. I'll probably get the scoop in IRC too but I've been out of town.

Appreciated, is awesomeexpress.com down too? How did you find that link?

They can definitely be not aligned. I had to snap most of them to the grid to make things line up, but they had no problem being off the grid, if thats what you meant. What I ended up doing was just snapping both sets of vertices to the grid and then matching them and it worked out fine.

Hah! Take that world! As I've said often when working with patches, my thinking had gotten very uptight. All I had to do was to take my 90 degree piece, while on grid, and rotate it to where the piece that would be flat (butting with the big Y tunnel) was at the angle, which kept the part that would eventually be at an angle was horizontal and lined up with the short tunnel piece that was vertical. Once I had that, it was simple to line up the pieces (like Baal reminded me would work, I figured it would but had given up on it nonetheless). By setting the origin of the respective pieces, they rotate like a charm! So, theoretically it should be possible to rotate these any direction and make it work, but the mapper might have to be aware of the origin and move it to the corner they are going to need to line up (since flipping a func_static fails so miserably). I would prefer if the mapper could just plug and play without having to do any tedious work, so I might end up making more pieces, making it more confusing but easier in the end to work with. Thanks for the help guys! I'll upload what I've got thusfar if anyone wants to have a gander at it (members only obviously). If any aspiring mappers want to see what it looks like just say so and I'll post some screens.

You think so? Maybe my problem is how I resized the pieces. Now that I think about it, I probably never perfectly resized the two pieces that constitute the top, which might be why they don't fit just right. Either way this is a pain but I want to finish these because I think they could actually be useful to someone eventually, so I'm going to keep at it. Thanks for the input Baal.

Alright, maybe these pictures will make it make more sense. What I'm doing is creating modular tunnel pieces for a small tunnel/sewer. They are all patch based so are smooth (as opposed to the one in the mill map which looked to have been made with brushes). This has benefits and drawbacks, I can make the pieces much more easily this way but when I do have problems they are harder to fix it seems. I've figured out a way to half-way make this work but I still have a problem. If you look at xy.gif, you'll see part of it. When you make a 90 degree elbow, basically just a copy of the black piece there that goes the full 90 degrees instead of 45 as shown, everything lines up. I've got it subdivided 16 horizontally(or vertically I cant recall which, but you can see). The roof section is in two pieces, each divided 8. The subdivisions line up fine when you do the 90 degree turn, but a 45 doesn't work because its not a perfect circle. This means that the radius that is at the angle (or the hypotenuse if you are thinking about it like a triangle) is not the same length as the base, whereas a perfect circle it would be. I've found (I think) a way to force it to work by sacrificing perfect symmetry(basically manually resize it to match), but the problem is the subdivisions still won't match up, meaning they will be slightly different shapes and there will be glittery spots or just black spots. It seems 45 degree angles are a colossal pain in the ass in the engine, especially because I don't have more control over the brushes (if I were to be able to mathematically come up with a perfect width in terms of the square root of 2 or something it might be able to work). Since I'm basically dragging this out by hand (even if I can control the size pretty well), it makes it hard. The example I have isn't the closest I've gotten, but its what I haven't destroyed or otherwise fucked up. If anyone has an idea how to make these things line up or needs more clarification just say so, otherwise I'll either scrap it (its held me back from making more useful things) or try one more time to make it workable (if not perfect, though it will drive me nuts probably).

@Baal, I'm not sure if that will work or not. I'll upload some screens later to illustrate the problem better. It feels like something that should be possible. @Tels, I'll check into that once I wake up (dear god its 2:30 in the afternoon I am a horrible slob) and get back to you. Thanks for the reply guys.