irisx
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Just went out and re-played this very nice and unique mission on the latest 2.12 dev snapshot. Unfortunately, near the end I ran into the same problem that @Joachim_Otahal reported: the wrench is not working on the mechanism, which does not light up anyway, and soon afterwards everything became unfrobbable.
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Thanks @cugzkani for the new build and for a very enjoyable mission overall!
The update does play more smoothly for me, though I still got a hard freeze
Spoilerwhile mantling on a small roof next to the guard who is sitting across a torch. Happened only once, could not get it to freeze again.
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Not directly related to the particular mission, but the existence of large outdoor areas
Spoilerwith AI patrolling along perpendicular paths
made me realise that my constant inability to hit moving targets with projectiles (when shooting along specific directions) was not due to bad aim but to a 2.11 bug: https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6292
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Thanks for this mission! I really enjoyed the atmosphere and architecture, and all the nice original elements that certainly deserve a thorough exploration.
Seeing my fps drop significantly in outdoor areas, even at low settings with an RTX3060, I would also hope that some further optimisation is possible.
I also encountered
Spoilera single "freeze" around the bridge. It happened a couple of seconds after it stopped moving and lasted several seconds before the game un-froze again. I was not able to reproduce it again.
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I have played through this mission twice now, and despite the few frustrating spots noted by others, I found it enjoyable with many interesting ideas, visuals and gameplay mechanics. I can understand why some unconventional elements like the guard change, some unpickable locks/doors or seemingly impossible-to-ghost areas can break specific kinds of play style. In my opinion however the philosophy of TDM leaves a lot of room for missions to vary and even deviate from the "canon" so not to let us get bored
I also think it lies on the mission author, how much of such information they put in the mission description as a warning, e.g. geegee already has included warnings about heavy GPU demands and hints at some nonlinear aspects of gameplay.
All in all an enjoyable *and* challenging mission for me.
I have also experienced framerate drops in some areas, even with my new RTX 3060 with maxed-out settings. Strangely, this also happens in areas with "smoke" effects, e.g.
Spoilerthe campfire next to Aeden's hut or the fire pit in the dungeons
It also appears to get worse when the lantern is on, so maybe it is an interaction of light sources with volumetric stuff or shadow maps?
I encountered a few other bugs here and there, like items frobbable from inside closed drawers/containers and the stuck dungeons door, and I also managed to break the game once by
Spoilerjumping over Helot's portocullis
The lighting could also use some tuning in a few areas.
One thing I was not able to figure out is,
Spoilerhow to access the Accounts area in Scarletbotham's mansion, which I suspect is needed to complete the Hoppie evidence objective. There is a locked grate in one of the vents where I can glimpse to an inaccessible room, but I cannot pick or force it open nor can I find another entry to this area.
Will certainly play v2, whenever @geegee decides to make it!
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8 minutes ago, Frost_Salamander said:
what part of the map was it? I can try to reproduce on Windows...
The first time it happened was standing on the roof trusses of the cathedral trying to shoot broadheads downwards. The second time was on the cathedral groundfloor trying to shoot moss arrows, near the 1st row of seats.
In both cases, just reloading and selecting the same weapon using keys did not fix it: I still got the crash when I tried to shoot. I had to quickly scroll-wheel through all weapons, then select bow again to get through.
In any case, I think it's a bit random, certainly cannot reproduce it consistently.
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I had a series of bow-related crashes in the new mission The Lieutenant 2: High Expectations, on linux. In a specific part of the map, selecting any bow weapon and then pressing attack/fire caused an immediate crash --just as the animation starts.
To avoid it I had to reload and shuffle a couple of times through weapons.
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A very well thought-out and balanced mission, and for some reason I found it fits perfectly with my playing pace. Lots of non-obvious places to explore but with enough hints to pick your curiosity. Some nice touches also
Spoilerlike the Exorcist-inspired subplot in the Abbey and a couple of places with characters suggestively interacting behind closed doors --little touches that, even in the absence of sophisticated scripted dialogue, greatly add to the atmosphere and the feeling that this is a little but self-contained world, with things happening around while the main plot progresses.
A couple of potential small bugs:
SpoilerIn the Abbey's winery (?), the liquid in the large container does not reach its bottom, you can lie down breathing indefinitely
I suppose this would also spoil any plan of drowning Coates in there.
I also had a couple of crashes in the Cathedral when changing to the bow weapon and at the beginning of the shooting animation. Reloading and switching through weapons fixed this.
Overall, another great mission for 2023!
Edit: I also had the
Spoilerunpickable key on the guard, spent some time harassing him -and getting beaten to death in response- before I realized it was a bug
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12 minutes ago, Frost_Salamander said:
ok here's an updated version with a fix: https://drive.proton.me/urls/6E6GRW28EM#Kbv446IaKHe6
@irisx @DavyJones @jonri could you give it a try?
Thanks, @Frost_Salamander. I report zero crashes after several 'fresh' mission starts (each time removing the mission folder and copying the pk4 anew), also in reloading saved missions. So your update seems to have fixed whatever was causing the 1.5 s segfault.
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8 hours ago, stgatilov said:
can provide you debug symbols from the assets SVN repo (for 2.11 release only, not for dev builds). They are zipped inside devel/release directory. I don't have my main PC available right now, can't do it.
Then you can run "gdb ./thedarkmod.x64", within gdb execute "add-symbol-file ./thedarkmod.x64.debug", and run the program to reproduce your issue.
Maybe I could try this too, since I'm more or less able to consistently reproduce the crash?
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20 hours ago, nbohr1more said:
Do you use pipewire or pulse?
Just in case it's not visible in the logs, I'm using pulseaudio.
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@nbohr1more thanks, here are the files.
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Are you running TDM with elevated privileges?
Well, none that I'm aware of
I am not running as root nor have any suid/sgid executables in the TDM folders. On the other hand, nVidia's binary modules have been known to do strange stuff from time to time, and they do run with elevated privileges.
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Thanks for the fast reply, this Google Drive link should work:
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I confirm the same behaviour that @DavyJones is reporting: starting from a fresh install of the mission and not doing anything like moving the mouse or pressing a key, results in an immediate crash.
If I move around upon start, most of the time (but not always) the mission continues normally. Once this happens, there are no crashes upon subsequent restarts or reloads.
In addition to the above logs, I have generated a strace -F trace file of the crash, in case somebody (e.g. @nbohr1more ) could get some useful information from it. It is around ~15MB (gzipped), any suggestions on how to send it?
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OK, posting this in case anybody else is having the 1.5 second crash I was experiencing in Linux: if I quicksave immediately on mission start, before the message about reading the objectives appears, then I am able to continue normally, quickload normally etc.
So DavyJones is probably right, it seems to be caused by something happening during- or right after that message appears.
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That's weird, it looks I'm consistently getting a segfault about 1.5 seconds into the mission (DM 2.11 @ linux x64 + nVidia, no addons or mods used).
Will investigate further, just thought to ask if anybody else is seeing this.
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7 hours ago, thebigh said:
You need to physically drop it, with the 'R' key.
No, unfortunately this doesn't work also, as MVT first reported with TDM v2.03.
The rest of the objectives seem correctly checked, I am able to finish the mission normally.
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2023 here, for me it works almost flawlessly in TDM 2.10, a good bit of challenge with the extra-alert AI and the unusual city design.
A couple of things that could be fixed if there's another update:
Spoiler- Cantrell's note was persistently unfrobable for me.
- Basement thugs chasing me underwater
And, BTW
SpoilerIt seems that the living and the undead are more evenly matched nowadays, so while zombies *will* fight guards there won't be a total massacre...
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Still an impressive mission in 2023, loads of things to explore and lots of fun to play and play again.
Just to confirm I had the same issue in TDM 2.10 with
Spoilerfailing to destroy the heart, though all of the objectives (including the optional ones) were checked. I reach the grills at the end of the pipe, activating the heart does make it highlight in green but nothing else happens.
The mission still completes, but it would be nice for this objective to check.
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This looks like a very promising mission, unfortunately I also get a segfault (yes, on linux) just as the "That's got to be Clerwick" line finishes and before the relevant objective is updated:
WARNING:civilian_20 (-7040.11 1891.67 -339.75) can't sit: too far from sitting location civilian_20_path_1 (-8060 12 -348) Resizing dynamic VertexCache: index 4096 kb -> 8192 kb, vertex 4096 kb -> 16384 kb Resizing dynamic VertexCache: index 8192 kb -> 16384 kb, vertex 8192 kb -> 16384 kb CLERWICK LOCATED! EVACUATING SHOEMAKER PLAZA AND INITIATING THE COURIER! WARNING:GetPointOutsideObstacles: civilian_15 - no valid point found WARNING:GetPointOutsideObstacles: civilian_15 - no valid point found NEW OBJECTIVE signal caught: Segmentation fault si_code 128 Trying to exit gracefully.. --------- Game Map Shutdown ---------- ModelGenerator memory: 86 LOD entries with 144 users using 43346 bytes, memory saved: 55552 bytes. WARNING:idClipModel::FreeTraceModel: tried to free uncached trace model (index=0) --------- Game Map Shutdown done ----- Shutting down sound hardware idRenderSystem::Shutdown() ...shutting down QGL I18NLocal: Shutdown. ------------ Game Shutdown ----------- ModelGenerator memory: No LOD entries. Shutdown event system -------------------------------------- Sys_Error: ERROR: pthread_join failed shutdown terminal support About to exit with code 1In another, maybe unrelated quirk: if I reload 5-6 times, even in different locations, FPS starts to drop dramatically until the map is no longer playable. Exiting/restarting TDM and realoading fixes this. I've only seen such behaviour in the past when I used noclip at some point of the map, which however I have not done here. Any clues?
EDIT: I restarted the map and I was able to get past that point, so it was probably a transient glitch. Already *very* impressed by the mission BTW... -
No excuse is too cheap if it gets you to re-play a fine mission like this, and these recent comments provided just that
Playing in 2.10 I also got the far-too-hard-to-kill skeleton in the bookstore (had to cheat, actually), also I agree that finding a way to reduce AI's sound sensitivity when there is ambient noise would restore some needed realism. But all in all I liked the challenge of navigating around the super-sensitive, torch-bearing city guard.
Also,
Spoilerafter releasing the prisoner she just kept spinning around in the cage. No matter how I tried to interact with her (short of inflicting damage), she would turn around and just stand-walk in there. Maybe it's a 2.10 artifact?
A unique mission with several nice touches.
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A spectacular mission! The architecture, the amazing new effects, and of course a couple of unique and original ideas that greatly add to the gameplay.
I will certainly play this over trying to uncover the secrets now...
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Thank you for this delightful Christmas present!
Fan Mission: The Spider and the Finch, by grodenglaive
in Fan Missions
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I really liked this mission, the atmosphere was spot on and there were lots of little nice touches and things to discover. Great job!