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lol, the light is huge cuz everything else is so small. It's like comparing a quarter to an ant...err...or something like that anyway. But yeah, all you'd do is draw a smaller brush (use the 2 grid), and fit the texture to it. Easy as that. Remember to use one of the character models for comparison...that'll help you out alot.

The models really look amazing. I especially like the image where the thief jumps over the wall.

I'd say, let's all wait until the Thief model is finished, and your 'great' models are also done, then we can decide. Ultimately, it is up to DeepOmega. I can't stop him letting you have his model as much as I can stop him from, say, withdrawing it from our mod (although I'm sure he has no plans to do so ).

I tend to feel the same way as Ren about this one. But we are going to have plenty of other character models, many of which we would certainly be willing to share. Take a look at our website: http://www.mindplaces.com/darkmod/gallery.htm. We'll be modelling both of those characters as well, not to mention many others. I'm impressed by many of the weapons you guys have come up with, especially the magic staff. Hmmm, alternatively, Deep Omega said he modelled much of the character in pieces, so maybe if he stripped off some of the more distinctive armour we could trade that one. Ultimately I think it's up to Fingernail and Deep Omega.

Those of us using Blender to produce models for export to Doom3 Radiant will at some point need to install the Python programming language for the various plugin scripts that enable Blender to export to the file formats supported by Radiant. The process is not as streight forward as it could be, so here I am detailing the procedure for Windows users. Updating Blender Make sure you are running Blender 2.35 or later. Downloading and installing Python Download Python and run the setup program. Ensure that the destination directory for the install is the default: C:/Python23 Setting a System Variable for Python in Windows XP, 2000, NT For Python to work correctly with other software (such as blender) a system variable must be set. Open the Control Panel (in classic rather than catagory view for XP users) and open the System properties dialogue box. Select the Adavanced tab and press the Environment Variables button. Scroll through the list for System Variables and look for one called PYTHONPATH. If on does not exist you will need to create a new System Variable, otherwise you can edit the existing variable, by pressing the appropriate button. In the System Variable dialogue box enter: PYTHONPATH in the Variable Name text field and C:\Python23\lib;C:\Python23\;C:\Python23\DLLs;C:\Python23\tcl;C:\Python23\libs\ in the Variable Value text field. Setting a System Variable for Python in Windows 9x In notepad load the text file C:/autoexec.bat Add the following line: SET PYTHONPATH=C:\Python23\lib;C:\Python23\;C:\Python23\DLLs;C:\Python23\tcl;C:\Python23\libs\ (thats all one line by the way, without any line breaks that might appear in your browser) Save, reboot and off you go

Well, I've gotten a few requests from people asking for direction in terms of concept art. I think what I'll do is post a few things that we need to have done and see if there are people willing to do it, for the moment. Currently, I'm going to put god_is_my_goldfish in charge of designing the arrows (since he has already done most of them, as well as the mechanical player tools (mines, flashbombs, etc). He has also requested the Belchers. I am currently working on character designs, including a few new Builder sketches. From there I'll move onto city guards and the like. What I'd like some volunteers for is: Player weapons: the sword is done, but we need sketches for the blackjack and bow. Main Menu: rough sketches of what the main menu might look like Beasties: We will need some kind of craymen or kurshok-like creature. Should be basically humanoid...something that could live underground or in pagan environments. If you can think of something that would suit D3 models/animations, so much the better. Environments: Any type of environmental sketch is good as a way of inspiring our texture artists and future mappers. Other things will have to wait until we sort out our priorities in the other threads. I'll update these later. If you would like to volunteer for what's already up there, please let me know.

The already mentioned blender is free, fully featured and can export to the appropriate formats required for D3 models and animation. There is a blender sub community over at Doom 3 world. I've been playing around with it for a few days. Once you get over the 'huh!?!' hurdle where you can't get it to do anything, its actually pretty good. I'd be happy to help get you started if you want to give it a try.

Here is the best budget 3D rendering info I have ever read. I love it because I actually preffer the tools involved over the proffesional ones, because they are simply geared toward video game models, and you can make high quality ones too, for the normal maps. Check out this thread; http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/phpBB2/vie...t=wings3d#10937 This post specifically; So basically; Wings3D = Modelling LithUnwrap = UW mapping CharacterFX = Animation As an example of what he does with this setup, check out his home page http://members.lycos.co.uk/arras1/ Click on "Gallery". It's worth it. Some of that stuff would fit right in with the Thief world. His humans are awesome.

If I could even begin to approach your skills in Max I'd be...well...alot happier with the models I've done. Once again you've done some damn fine work, Deep. I can't wait to see what you come up with next. Edit: lol, right now it's starting to look like a cool pewter figure you'd see on someones desk...complete with all the neat accessories.

I believe this mod is divided in two sections: First, the mod itself (with all the models/textures etc) so that people can make Thief fan missions. Second, we are probably going to do some kind of campaign, which I think (and hope!) will be something original (with a style more towards the Victorian era).

hi, i just talked with rezniac about my model that i was about to texture. he said that i should rather add the details from the texture as real vertices in the model. well, thats where i do not know how. although i think i do not need to make the wood like look on the table plate by model because its flat, i need to know how i should fake it without a texture? or for example how do i make rough wood surface? a rusty metal, old leather etc. do i need surface modifiers or just much time and an eye till i get it right? i know for clothing surfaces just as banners, jackets, well everthing like that there is SimCloth. is there something like that for all the other surfaces to use for high poly models?

I wish someone that wasn't good at something would show up just once, it's starting to get to the point where it'll be easier to let someone down than ask to let more people in. It's your call once again, Finger, with Jay and Fjonan on props and DeepOmega and Kyo on models, we definately won't be hurting for modellers anymore. Edit: Keep in mind that you'll need to do some highpoly work for the normalmap. The model you have now is good for the base, but you'll need to go all out with the details to make it complete for Doom 3.

I figured I'd go ahead and start doing some props. Already have a bed and a chair done with patches in Radiant (which I'm calling the Rgun props since they look alot like his stuff), and now I've started doing some stuff in Max. And this is it. It's the first time I've used Max in almost a year and a half, so I'm still a little rusty. I know the meshsmooth is a little overkill, but comeon...I wanted it to look cool for everybody. As far as models go it's simple as all getout. But it'll look fine ingame, which is what counts. Now I just need to skin it...

When you rightclick on the grid he'll be under the char subset...char_marine_asian_chair1. Most of the models have swappable heads, and since I haven't figured out how to plant one on yet I had to leave him headless. And it'll still take awhile to do all the props, everything you're seeing here is fairly simple stuff. I won't be nearly as quick once I start getting into really high detailed victorian furniture

Wow, I'm impressed with what you've been able to do. Maybe it WON'T take half a year just for the models. Hey, where did that headless guy come from in the pic?

I could make a few props, mostly simple stuff like beds and tables since I'm only an intermediate at most when it comes to working with 3DSMax. It'd be a good learning experience for me and it'd help out the project a bit since, like Fingernail said, we're short on 3D modellers at the moment. Also, has anyone here heard of Speedtree? I've been using it to make some excellent low poly tree models (example heah), you can't get much simpler than this.

Well, Kyo, speaking for myself I think it'd be rather nice for you to get to work on the non-human character models - burricks, spiders, zombies, and suchlike. I'd ask springheel or one of our other concept artists to knock you up some sketches for it. Good to have you with us!

Sounds good. I'll pay that some attention as I go. Things like the armour on the boots, or the shape of the gauntlets, etc. I'll make so that the elite versions have obvious differences from the norm, but can still be based on the same models.

Maus, Please understand that we're not rejecting you, we're just interested in seeing some more thief style artwork, and particularly computer modeling work. You obviously have excellent artistic ability, and your sculpture is quite impressive. Meanwhile, you can show us some of your other stuff by uploading them to a free service. Not a great permanent solution, but it will work to at least show us some things. Try www.deviantart.com or www.photobucket.com to upload some images that you can then link here. (Note that you should link the images and not place them in-line on the forum page.) If you want to get your hands dirty with some quick models or concept sketches, here are a couple suggestions: Concept sketches of architecture, furniture, in game objects, and decorations. Concept sketches of level design elements; scenes containing guards and the thief, for instance, that convey the mood and setting of a level Concept sketches of characters and designs for builders, guards, pagans, zombies, or the thief. Modeling any of the above; untextured is probably fine. A textured model might be nice to view your skills at that also. Keep in mind that we're looking for an appropriate style for concept sketches. Style isn't quite as important for modeling, but it still plays a factor. If you are unfamiliar with the kinds of things we're looking for, make sure you've played through at least the first couple Thief games

I have more art examples then what you can see at my VCL archive, the problem is I have no place to up load work at this time! Yes I like the Japanese styles of art but if you look at: http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Maus/...ptsSketches.jpg I think you will see I can do just about any stile that is needed. The problem with the VCL archive is they have content restrictions on the types of art that can be uploaded: only Furry Art. This stuff is more of my hobby art it’s like my favorite pastime (other then being a pervert, lol). If you don’t think I can pleas test my skills and ask me to drawl something for your project. As fare as modeling and animating go I am not as experienced but I assure you I am very good with sculpture: http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Maus/...01-by-date.html and 3D modeling. As I have mentioned I have no place to up load this stuff. I could send an email with some other art and 3D models if you want to see what I am capable of. I will have to spend some time at home scanning and prepping my other work to show you. Because I cant really use office time and equipment on personal projects. But they do let us getaway with some surfing and non company emails. But I am going to spend the money and get an ISP so I can up load more of my work to show you better what I can do. I have been trying to save money so I could up grade my computers (I need to get a MS SQL server to test/develop my database code for my personal project). Most of what I am working on now in my free time is managing large dynamic persistent environments, which can be streamed over the web, searched, ext... Well at any rate if you would like me to prove my self by just jumping rite in to the modeling or art asset generation pleas feel free to test me! I see working with your teem as a chance to diversify my portfolio and grow more skilled as an artist! But if my willingness to work for free isn’t enough I will be glad to take the time to get my portfolio site back together and pay to host it online so to compel or prove to you that I am a talented and creative artist. that would like to help with your Thief style project. Regards, Maus

Sketch me a face indeed - great timing, as I just dug out an ancient, terrible model of a head that I was working on when I first got into character modeling. It was a horrible model for a normal person, as its facial features were way too thin, and most character models are Action Hero type people. For a thief, tho, it's great. And on the awesome side, I made a fantastic nose. Hell yes. So, yeah, knock up a quick face sketch for me please thx.

I'm gonna have to be wary of this editor. I just opened up my map and all the geometry was...gone. It's a good thing I had a backup cuz all I've lost was the fireplace, which is fairly easy to rebuild. I'm still trying to figure out how to add models and particle effects to the map. I can browse em, even found a few good fire effects and some candles like Springheel said, but I can't place em yet.

Since we started with this project I haven't heard anything about which license we will use. This is IMO quite an important decisision, as some memebrs may not want to use one license modell while others may and still others don't care. As we have seen in the case SCO against IBM this issue is NOT so trivial and can potentially affect everybody here. This is also important to protect our project against copyright claims or others ripping off. So I would suggest to discuss this BEFORE we start to create to much content and afterwards being dissatisfied with the decisions. One question: If we code for D3 what resctrictions are there for our mod? As with DromEd we had the restriction that all FMs had to be free and were not allowed to be commercially used without permission. I expect that a similar restriction exists for D3 mods (but then again it may not) so this already might affect the decision on which license model we can use. There are also other considerations, because if we choose i.E. GPL or any other open source compatible license model (there are several of them) we can register for services like webhosting, shell accounts, CVS services and others, which may not be available for closed source developments. I think it is better to use such existing services instead of relaing on private resources, because this gives us a major advantage. If there ever is a break in the private resources we will have to find new resources where to translocate them. If we use public resources, everybody has access and we don't need to worry over uptime or accessability or support. That doesn't mean that we can NOT use private resources as well, but it gives us many advantages for free and serves as a seamless backup. If this is comptable with D3 restrictions therfore I would suggest to use GPL/LGPL or a similar license model and I think there is also an Open Content license for art so we could put this there as well. Since this is a community project and we want to use community resources as well, I think this would be a fair decision. One reason why I also want to have this clarified is, to protect our work (I already have seen such a thing happen). If i.E. somebody writes a good AI code and suddenly decides that the code is so good that he no longer wants to offer it for free, then we are screwed. In this case we woould have to start from scratch and rewrite all this code from new. I don't want something like this to happen, so we really should decide an a license early on, so everybody knows what he can expect or not expect from the project. Of course this is also true for art (images, sound, models, levels, etc.), despite me writing mainly about code because I'm a programmer myself.

hm, what does "are released for free" mean ? can everybody use our textures, models and sounds in his mod or whatever he does ?? or do you just mean, that we can't sell them ?

That's perfectly fine for me, and what I really wanted to aim at. The question is if all the other members and the project lead is aware of this. What about models, textures and sounds and other stuff beside the code itself? I will download this and take a look at it.