My wife may have just gotten pregnant!

[OrbWeaver]

-So you stand behind your claims only to attempt to win another argument, with no interest to discover real insight from this discussion?

Arguing about this is then futile, as no one is probably going to change their views or bring anything new to the table.

I recommend us to cease, since there is clear evidence that this "discussion" has now caused people to start denounce each other's personal traits or contributions to the discussion. This is the moment when one of the discussion's participants have failed grieviously.

 

You must be new around here.

[sparhawk]

The reason sex gives a reward is so they'll do it. They don't want offspring, just sex. For animals, having babies has no reward at all.

 

Considering that you constantly harp on how superior humans are supposed to be, it's remarkable, that you don't seem to manage to draw a simple concolusion if the facts require more than one step to complete.

 

Now go and guess WHY sex is a reward. Maybe it got something to do with SIBLINGS? Oh, no! That can not be. Evolution makes the experience of sex a rewarding because..., erm ..., because... , uhm, ... yeah, because of what? Ah! Because sex is, erm ... aeh, rewarding. Yes! That must be it.

[oDDity]

I don't know why I bother, you are the wost debater on these forums, no better than a child at times.

This isn't about any grand anthropological conclusion, I'm simply backing up my initial statement, whch was challenged, that the urge to have kids is not instinctual, does not occur in animals, and therefore cannot be instinctual in humans. The conclusion is that it's an intellectual process, caused by a mix societal brainwashing and tradition, the realisation that new generations are a necessity, and as an inevitable consequence of the the fact that sex is so desirable.

Yes, nature makes sex desirable to make us do it so evolution can happen, but it does not give us an innate desire TO HAVE KIDS, only TO HAVE SEX.

A desire to have kids, and weighing up all the pros and cons that go with it, is too complex a thoght process to have evolved, it's something that only human brains can think of.

[Subjective Effect]

That's a very narrow view of evolution. Besides, plenty of people want to have kids. Some of those that really want kids don't have them because they know it's not practical. They still want them though.