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*nevermind*

Some more links! http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142513&page=3&p=2215566&viewfull=1#post2215566

OH Perfect! To players: this is a really *classic* (but not linear) FM, it's all about exploring every corner: so don't rush! Changelog v2->v3 HUGE update. Barely even the same map. I needed to update/repair some broken stuff for TDM 2.0, and that turned into a complete re-do of the entire map. New areas, new entrance and exit More AI in different areas; changed AI behavior New sounds Simplified/fixed architecture Re-distributed loot (and much more of it) Better layout of rooms, especially the ground floor Better lighting Re-written readables Objectives modified and moved around Non-linear gameplay (you can do the mission 'backwards' now) Complete re-texturing and re-decorating Mostly new AI paths, some of which with previously-unseen AI behavior New eye candy Now is entertaining in 'notarget' mode Slightly less gore in the dungeon (changed the head to something else) Fewer bugs other stuff

File blocked. Too many DLs.

http://kotaku.com/if-you-think-thief-4-looks-crap-try-this-1442764101

Here's the (growing) list http://www.moddb.com...d-20-standalone http://www.pcgamer.c...without-doom-3/ + http://www.pcgamer.c...e-dark-mod-2-0/http://kotaku.com/if...this-1442764101http://www.gamestar....89,3028788.htmlhttp://www.rockpaper...-is-standalone/http://www.shacknews...-now-standalonehttp://www.dsogaming...n-2-0-released/http://www.phoronix....item&px=MTQ4MjYhttp://www.polygon.c...-with-version-2http://atomicgamer.c...32/the-dark-modhttp://www.gamefront...one-2-0-update/http://www.destructo...se-263370.phtmlhttp://lfg.hu/62280/...oom-3-motorral/ (hungarian)http://www.bluesnews...no-longer-a-modhttp://games.on.net/...r-file-library/http://www.vg247.com...one-experience/http://www.joystiq.c...self-goes-stan/http://vorpalchainsw...rk-mod.html?m=1http://www.explosion...one-experience/http://www.chip.de/d...d_64819987.html (german)http://slashdot.org/...ief-a-like-gamehttp://www.gamestar....61,3029213.html (german)http://the-rageaholic.tumblr.com/post/63609053694/in-positive-thief-related-news-you-no-longer-needhttp://www.destructo...od-264626.phtml

LOL Am I the only one liking the 2011 version of TC too?

This is an example of a rotated value space You can still empathyze, with someone having the same rational needs (in bold) and because there's a lot of people with them there's still a "community" sense.

'cause it's mitigated by Garrett memory off course Garrett is a true anti-hero (for a more deadly&tragic version think to Daud in Dishonored): everyone who feels " I'm a cynical EVILworld-proof BADASS ( ), simply don't stand in my path" can relate to Garrett (or Daud). This is not evil, this is.....survival of the fittest at its finest mixed with that sense of noble loneliness: truly the ability to live with own self, through own self, and in own self. Problem is: anti-heroes are romantic, a fiction in a fiction, and real world "tough" persons are more gritty assholes than elegant badasses.....so wake up from the dreams Am I sounding like a little girl?

Ah, just to throw in some more morality meat, here's one quote I think all videogamers (yeah, those bithin' never grown-up kids with no connection to the real world) know very well You can't break a man the way you break a dog or a horse. The harder you beat a man, the taller he stands. To break a man's will, to break his spirit, you have to break his mind. Men have this idea that we can fight with dignity, that there's a proper way to kill someone. It's absurd. It's anaesthetic; we need it to endure the bloody horror of murder. You must destroy that idea. Show them what a messy, terrible thing it is to kill a man, and then show them that you relish in it. Shoot to wound, then execute the wounded. Burn them. Take them in close combat. Destroy their preconceptions of what a man is and you become their personal monster. When they fear you, you become stronger. You become better. But let's never forget: it's a display, it's a posture, like a lion's roar or a gorilla thumping at its chest. If you lose yourself in the display, if you succumb to the horror, then you become the monster. You become reduced; not more than a man, but less—and it can be fatal. It sounds pretty real world grown-up concept to me. And few men can stand these words.

First question and maybe the more obvious: there are some moral eigenvectors?

Yes, but these things are above the buried-inside animal level. They ARE (simply different) values: better, they are values in a rotated value space (excuse, it's the engeneering education ): so there's nothing new or strange if they can form a moral system. But watch "down", deep inside, and the things can really have an entangled quantum-like behaviour

Well, religion CAN override empathy too: think about human *ritual* sacrifices. Religion is something fearful sometimes, it can really reach some (perverted?) heights. The other thing with equal (dark) power is sex, another "defining own-and-sometimes-overriding-good-sense principles" field: and no, I'm not referring to "articulated" kinky perversions like BSDM, just plain sex: think about FEMALE rape fantasies (=GIRLS having them): their only existance is really a cannonball for a "polite and educated" mind. But human reality is sometimes counterintuitive and deranged. To be human is scary, my friends, better to be a taffer

Religion defines is OWN morality and principles, this is the nasty trick, and it's a trick that million persons seem to love (maybe because they can be "evil" in a safe way, there's the misericordia dei above all and for all sinners, in the Christianity case).

Not for some "visceral" humans, it seems they need pain&suffering, tribulation and eventually "redemption". It's why religion still exists today, 'cause it seems to work with them where a rational (mine and yours, demagogue's one, etc.) approach fails. Damn human psychic dynamics

Thanks Biker. FM runs well with TDM 2.0

TDM download page lists the 2009 version. And the integrated downloader?

Benny will never die!

You're taffin' me! Ah, 15 years.....

PranQ is really a great guy.

Yep. Ability to look through the keyhole!

Ah, another strange thing: "noclip" actually SLOWS down the player/camera if launched in water environment. WTF?

No problem!

This FM is simply too much for me It's a pure Thief like experience, it reminds me of The Thieves' Highway or Life of the Party.

It's mediafire. Not sure if a problem or a new management choice.